Precontact

It's not that bad really. Just have to crawl over some jumpseaters once in a while...

Rock

I imagine that given the right incentive, Boeing would probably install strobe lights and disco balls in the cockpit (or find someone who would). But I don't really have any idea.
Regarding the lav in the cockpit...I wonder if a person could perform Pilot Monitoring responsibilities from there. Dozing for dollars is fun. Dumping for dollars might just work too. Maybe put an FMS repeater and an EFB in there for good measure. Next to the magazine rack and drink holder.

MX727

Just carry your iPad in.

Gunter

I have to agree with Busboy, and others I have met -

"Common sense" is not referenced in the CBA nor in any discussions regarding intent or past practice. I don't think it's germane to determining our rights or the company's responsibilities.

We need to protect those who bid the 767 (and MD11/777/A300). They should be guaranteed widebody pay at all times. If there are any loopholes that lets the company pay them at narrowbody rates or shift their flying to a more cheaply paid 767/757 bid pack we will have failed in our negotiations.

If the 767 is coming, I see at least three options in our future -

We could have two bid packs (regular and secondary lines) with a combined reserve pool with no change in pay rates. That would save the company some serious money. Not perfect as some widebody flying that could have gone to 767 holders will end up going to 757 reserve crewmembers. This is a win for the company as they will man the 767 lean and the 757 fat. Expect to see lots of 767 flying held back in various forms for reserves in this case. Also expect lots of reserve lines, on the 757 side.

Another way is to have a combined bidpack also without eliminating narrowbody pay rates. This is the worst option. Management will burn the midnight oil trying to "optimize" every 767 line. I would expect them to be minimized. I'd expect to see 757 at a higher BLG. At the last minute 757 guys would be put into sub and assigned 767 flying. Wouldn't it be great for a mid level widebody crewmember to come over to the 767/757 bid pack only to get pushed down to a narrowbody schedule when some senior crewmembers pile on top of them? Not! Another win for the company without anything for us except landmines for unsuspecting crewmembers.

IMHO one of the best plans is to put everyone on widebody pay. This would eliminate many games the company could play. Remember 4a2b? Over/Undermanning fleets. Training letter games. You get the picture, their track record is poor and we need to plan for the worst option.

Not insignificantly, it would discourage management from moving MD11 or A300 flying to a 767/757 bid pack. There could be lopsided line averages across fleet types to favor the fleet du jour. Seen that one before too.

Eliminating narrowbody rates would meet great resistance. Mostly because they're already counting the money that's going to be paid out in bonuses after working over the pilots on this deal. Saving money on a combined reserve system is more than enough to make the 767 worthwhile but they think we're too stupid to know it. There are pilots who will also oppose it because they think they're too senior to be affected and can't see negotiating capital being spent on folks junior to them. That's why we got hosed on the first FDA LOA. Many will be wrong about how high this could hit the seniority list.

Get ready. The fight is coming.

FDX28

Boeing won't retro fit with IS&S but IS&S (the company) will. IS&S is a retrofit company. Already has been looked at by the company. More likely option is Boeing advanced cockpit which will make it look similar to 777/787. 767/777 type will NOT happen. Already been told no by the FAA. AQP would allow differences training for 757 guys for 767 - only a couple events. AQP / FAA manager also says if company already has 757 program, they won't certify a new 767 program. 767 will be an add-on as differences training.

The BOD hasn't made a decision on which airframe we're going to get, but may be coming soon - next couple months...

CloudSailor

BOD meeting on 05DEC. It sounds like three options:

- B767 (hopefully)
- A330
- Do nothing for now

It'll be interesting.

Gunter

I'm hoping for the 330.

CAVU

Perhaps not.

Had we voted for the 777 pay rate settlement the Company and Union negotiated in good faith, the vast majority of 777 guys would be making more than the previously negotiated 380 rate today. We shot ourselves in the foot and left a lot of money on the table.

Let's learn from our mistakes and attempt to move forward in a business-like manner. The Company surely will.

Laughing_Jakal

see below, I forgot the quote

Laughing_Jakal

Hence the development of the "Sit Down Display" (or SDD). This is what's holding up the 767 announcement.
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