Check 6

With the Lav in the cockpit we will never have to put on masks again!!! Unless of course you just ate at Tbell...then the mask may be a good idea!

Dadof6

Help me out--I don't remember voting on ANYTHING about 777 pay. What I remember (after the company cancelled the A380 with the 2006 CBA ink still wet) was the MEC chair saying "Trust me," the 777 would pay the A380 rates already negotiated. Didn't work out quite that way--doh. Every vote after the 2006 contract, I voted No and the TA du jour (FDA v1.0, etc., etc. bridge to nowhere TA), passed by the suspiciously identical 68% majority.

Whatcha talkin' bout, Willis?

RedeyeAV8r

I think you might be a little confused. You were never going to vote on a negotiated Payrate for a new aircraft (outside of Section 6 negotiations)

Read Section 26K in the contract. (this is where the 757 and 737 are specifically mentioned as Narrow body) There wasn't a vote on the 777 because the process is all spelled all here.

To paraphrase, it says "if a New Airframe comes on property the Union and MGT will meet to determine what Category the new A/C is and if there is not an agreement it goes to arbitration." Further more Section 26K allows the Company to put an A/C into service even if a Pay-rate has not been agreed to. It didn't help guys were trampling down the door to get to fly it.

Thats what happened with the 777. MGT said it was a Wide body, Union said it was something bigger. Many pilots had 777 fever and bid it anyway. It went to arbitration as required by the Contract 26K, and we got our clock cleaned. Simple as that.

There was never ever going to be a Vote on a 777 pay-rate or any new Aircraft we may acquire in the future 767, A330.

FDXLAG

You have to read cavu's post to understand dad's confusion.

RedeyeAV8r

As I recall, The Union was attempting to be proactive just prior to the Infamous Perfect Storm, 4 A 2 B period, the Financial Meltdown, All remaining DC-10s parked as well as few 727's plus Age 65 all happening at once, Failed bids, cancelled bids and domiciles, Re-bids with software problems and excess bids.

The Union proffered an LOA to the Company labeled "the Global Solution"
At a Union meeting I attended, JG briefed the Pilots on this proposal. The Union's offer gave the 777 to the Company at WB rates. I don't know if this had an affect on the later arbitration outcome.
JG briefed there was an attempt to capture an INTL override for block over 8hrs which would have helped the MD11 as well. Had the Company agreed to the proposal, it would have come to us as a vote for that LOA, to have been for the 777 to pay Wide body rates, not more than what they are now. Of course as Usual, the Company says "Forgettaboutit " and gets what they want without giving us anything in return.

Gunter

So what do you think the odds are that when and if we get the 767 the company would periodically take flying away from the 767 schedule and stick it on 757 secondary and reserve schedules? And vice versa. They'll be free to play whatever games they want based on how they choose to man each. Or it might depend on what phase the moon is in.

Since I'm not senior, you won't see me bidding the 767 unless I want 757 rates with a little extra now and then. 757 guys might be happy with the situation, though.

RedeyeAV8r

I won't predict anything, but if I was a betting man the 757 and 767 will be a combined bidpack
just as the MD10 MD11 is Senior international Trips speckled with Very Junior night hub turns.

The Diff there is that they both pay the same rate, but it is the same issue.

IF the 767 pays WB pay, I will go out on a limb and say, when you fly the 767 you get the higher rate, if there is a 757 trip on the same line, you get 757 pay. That is how it was done at my previous job.

All that said However, If we get 767's on property, Section 26K will apply.
The Union and the Company will meet to try to determine what category it is, or if it is a New category. Both sides will agree to disagree, The company will do what they want and in the end we will have to accept the arbitrators decision of the grievance process.

MeXC

Indeed, and especially the very top of our union leadership. The same that sent many, many emails imploring us to be extra-super careful in what we bid because the 777 doesn't have an established payrate.

Adlerdriver

At first look, that seems fair. Let's hope it ends up that way.
To extend the logic, vacation, sick, etc. should pay at the rate the trip actually flies. That would leave a little less wiggle room for trips to be planned w/ a 757 and then - surprise we up-gauged to a 767.

The thing we want to avoid is some kind of override for 767. Then everything (trip pay, vaca, sub, etc.) is planned with narrow body pay and only those who actually operate get the widebody pay.

My last employer had a "hybrid" rate higher than industry 757 pay and lower than other comparable widebodies. Since there was about a 3:1 ratio of 75's to 76's there it seems like an okay plan for the majority. It was a good deal for many who could only hold domestic and saw a 767 as frequently as some of our MEM guys see an MD-11. I'm not sure it would be the best plan at Fedex.

Busboy

Am I missing something here? In regards to what/how the 767 would pay at FDX...Why isn't anyone else talking about getting rid of the narrowbody rate and just having a single pay scale, like UPS?

Seems like that would solve all of problems that you guys are bringing up.