Leverage and the Next MEC Decision
01-05-2012, 02:17 AM
#61
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Of course if you add in the hidden 10% carry over, hows that work out? ..
That "Block over 10 pay" can generate him another 10-20 credit hours a month
even though both our lines might equally be scheduled at 72 or 88 for the 5 week month. Just saying.
01-05-2012, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
What does Carry over have to do with ALPA?
We have had carry over here since before we even thought a Union was even possible.
Besides the last 3 pre contract surveys asking about eliminating or restricting carry over or instituting a Pay Cap were all met with a BIG NO from the membership. Again what does ALPA have to do with this?
We have had carry over here since before we even thought a Union was even possible.
Besides the last 3 pre contract surveys asking about eliminating or restricting carry over or instituting a Pay Cap were all met with a BIG NO from the membership. Again what does ALPA have to do with this?
My bad too broad a stroke. On the FDX MEC Animal Farm ...
My complaint with C/O isnt that it exsists, it is that it is rewarded. If you want to ask a survey question try these:
Should someone with CIC have scheduling priority to allow him to exceed BLG, frequently by 40% but up to 100%, before VTOs are filled and open time is released?
Should someone who has exceeded RLG through CIC get leveling credit for a non reserve trip?
Instead we ask questions like; Should we cap the ability of a pilot to maximize his pay for the month by limiting carryover and/or his ability to use his makeup bank?
Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
If you look at my MD-11 W2 and a peer's W2 of on the 777, even though we make the same Hourly rate, my Peer makes more each month.
That "Block over 10 pay" can generate him another 10-20 credit hours a month even though both our lines might equally be scheduled at 72 or 88 for the 5 week month. Just saying.
That "Block over 10 pay" can generate him another 10-20 credit hours a month even though both our lines might equally be scheduled at 72 or 88 for the 5 week month. Just saying.
I am shocked that FDX MEC rewards a particular subset of the population with scheduling work rules that allow extra pay.
Again we are in violent agreement, UPS and FDX contracts are fairly equal, however we choose to have workrules that distributes the money differently.
Last edited by FDXLAG; 01-05-2012 at 06:02 AM.
01-05-2012, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
My bad too broad a stroke. On the FDX MEC Animal Farm ...
My complaint with C/O isnt that it exsists, it is that it is rewarded. If you want to ask a survey question try these:
Should someone with CIC have scheduling priority to allow him to exceed BLG, frequently by 40% but up to 100%, before VTOs are filled and open time is released?
Should someone who has exceeded RLG through CIC get leveling credit for a non reserve trip?
Ah so you found the hidden money.
I am shocked that FDX MEC rewards a particular subset of the population with scheduling work rules that allow extra pay.
Again we are in violent agreement, UPS and FDX contracts are fairly equal, however we choose to have workrules that distributes the money differently.
My complaint with C/O isnt that it exsists, it is that it is rewarded. If you want to ask a survey question try these:
Should someone with CIC have scheduling priority to allow him to exceed BLG, frequently by 40% but up to 100%, before VTOs are filled and open time is released?
Should someone who has exceeded RLG through CIC get leveling credit for a non reserve trip?
Ah so you found the hidden money.
I am shocked that FDX MEC rewards a particular subset of the population with scheduling work rules that allow extra pay.
Again we are in violent agreement, UPS and FDX contracts are fairly equal, however we choose to have workrules that distributes the money differently.
I know, I know " it's not that I should succeed, but that my friends should fail"
You're earning the moniker of 12 angry men
01-05-2012, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Laughing_Jakal
Geez you're a whiner. If you want the line with carryover, bid it. Use the CIC to get the trips you want in the view add window. If you don't want to actually fly the extra hours, then drop the trips. If you get to the point where you can't stand to have that much in your makeup bank and don't want to fly then let someone pick stuff off your schedule.
I know, I know " it's not that I should succeed, but that my friends should fail"
You're earning the moniker of 12 angry men
I know, I know " it's not that I should succeed, but that my friends should fail"
You're earning the moniker of 12 angry men
Too bad. Pay attention. Gunter wants to compare UPS and FDX contract. I say you cant without C/O. Redeye says everyone loves C/O. I answer redeye. Laughing Jackass uses an angry post to call me angry.
01-05-2012, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
My bad too broad a stroke. On the FDX MEC Animal Farm ...
My complaint with C/O isnt that it exsists, it is that it is rewarded. If you want to ask a survey question try these:
Should someone with CIC have scheduling priority to allow him to exceed BLG, frequently by 40% but up to 100%, before VTOs are filled and open time is released?
Should someone who has exceeded RLG through CIC get leveling credit for a non reserve trip?
Instead we ask questions like; Should we cap the ability of a pilot to maximize his pay for the month by limiting carryover and/or his ability to use his makeup bank?
My complaint with C/O isnt that it exsists, it is that it is rewarded. If you want to ask a survey question try these:
Should someone with CIC have scheduling priority to allow him to exceed BLG, frequently by 40% but up to 100%, before VTOs are filled and open time is released?
Should someone who has exceeded RLG through CIC get leveling credit for a non reserve trip?
Instead we ask questions like; Should we cap the ability of a pilot to maximize his pay for the month by limiting carryover and/or his ability to use his makeup bank?
"Are you in favor of some type of monthly Pay Cap?"
The Majority answer from the Membership was a resounding "NO" all 3 times.
No question A pay CAP could fix your concerns. You could still fly carry over but would be required to drop hours in excess of whatever CAP was Instituted. It could also limit Make up or Vacation Fly Back or even Association Fly back. If that was desired.
A Mandatory Min Day off could be also be a Fix.
The problem is the Majority of FedEx Pilots didn't want it and I doubt that has changed. We have what we have always had before a Union existed here. So instead of Blaming the FDX MEC you could blame the FAB.
And like I previously said, it has always been that way.
BTW I sort of agree with you. I think some type of CAP or Mandatory Min day off rule would ultimately be a Positive thing, but I was/am in the minority on this as most of our guys want the ability to make as much as they can in any given month. Go Figure..
Don't Blame the FDX MEC on this one.
01-05-2012, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
I am shocked that FDX MEC rewards a particular subset of the population with scheduling work rules that allow extra pay. .
The Block over 8 and Block over 10 is another avenue for 777 to make more $$ on average per hour in some cases.
The MD-11 had (and still has a few) trips that triggered this, just not at the level of the 777.
01-05-2012, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
If you look at my MD-11 W2 and a peer's W2 of on the 777, even though we make the same Hourly rate, my Peer makes more each month.
That "Block over 10 pay" can generate him another 10-20 credit hours a month
even though both our lines might equally be scheduled at 72 or 88 for the 5 week month. Just saying.
That "Block over 10 pay" can generate him another 10-20 credit hours a month
even though both our lines might equally be scheduled at 72 or 88 for the 5 week month. Just saying.
01-05-2012, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
How bout the one that was asked in ALL 3 surveys that I took.
"Are you in favor of some type of monthly Pay Cap?"
The Majority answer from the Membership was a resounding "NO" all 3 times.
No question A pay CAP could fix your concerns. You could still fly carry over but would be required to drop hours in excess of whatever CAP was Instituted. It could also limit Make up or Vacation Fly Back or even Association Fly back. If that was desired.
A Mandatory Min Day off could be also be a Fix.
The problem is the Majority of FedEx Pilots didn't want it and I doubt that has changed. We have what we have always had before a Union existed here. So instead of Blaming the FDX MEC you could blame the FAB.
And like I previously said, it has always been that way.
BTW I sort of agree with you. I think some type of CAP or Mandatory Min day off rule would ultimately be a Positive thing, but I was/am in the minority on this as most of our guys want the ability to make as much as they can in any given month. Go Figure..
Don't Blame the FDX MEC on this one.
"Are you in favor of some type of monthly Pay Cap?"
The Majority answer from the Membership was a resounding "NO" all 3 times.
No question A pay CAP could fix your concerns. You could still fly carry over but would be required to drop hours in excess of whatever CAP was Instituted. It could also limit Make up or Vacation Fly Back or even Association Fly back. If that was desired.
A Mandatory Min Day off could be also be a Fix.
The problem is the Majority of FedEx Pilots didn't want it and I doubt that has changed. We have what we have always had before a Union existed here. So instead of Blaming the FDX MEC you could blame the FAB.
And like I previously said, it has always been that way.
BTW I sort of agree with you. I think some type of CAP or Mandatory Min day off rule would ultimately be a Positive thing, but I was/am in the minority on this as most of our guys want the ability to make as much as they can in any given month. Go Figure..
Don't Blame the FDX MEC on this one.
I just think the rules we have for C/O CIC and leveling makes it a lot easier to overfly blg. If you want to be paid for 130 hours, work for it, ie pickup some trash from the open time food fight like the rest of the peons.
We are the MEC if you cant blame us who can you blame?
01-05-2012, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
In my opinion the 777 should have a higher hourly rate. We lost that in 26K arbitration so apparently my opinion ain't worth much.
The Block over 8 and Block over 10 is another avenue for 777 to make more $$ on average per hour in some cases.
The MD-11 had (and still has a few) trips that triggered this, just not at the level of the 777.
The Block over 8 and Block over 10 is another avenue for 777 to make more $$ on average per hour in some cases.
The MD-11 had (and still has a few) trips that triggered this, just not at the level of the 777.
We dont bank guarantees we depostit actual hours.
