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03-25-2012, 03:47 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by gderek
We have April 2005 hires that are going to training in a couple of months in the left seat of the 727. So they will be junior to the most junior HKG Capt.
03-25-2012, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by CzechAirman
You consider 4a2b better? They are also about to forced to start wearing their hats and give up their leather jackets and parkas for the traditional jacket and overcoat.
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03-25-2012, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
Yup, all good points and ones to consider when being offered a job at either.. Oh, wait a minute, UPS still has guys out on furlough, while FedEx is hiring, but other than that, being "about to forced to start wearing hats and giving up our leather jackets and parkas", would sure sway me toward brown.
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03-25-2012, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
Yup, all good points and ones to consider when being offered a job at either.. Oh, wait a minute, UPS still has guys out on furlough, while FedEx is hiring, but other than that, being "about to forced to start wearing hats and giving up our leather jackets and parkas", would sure sway me toward brown.
03-25-2012, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by RealityCheck
If UPS had 4a2b, there most probably wouldn't have been a furlough. I suspect 4a2b saved FDX more than UPS's furlough will.
This has been rehashed over and over again on here. The reality is that FedEx wasn't in a position to furlough unless they planned to do so out of seniority order. They would have had to park the 727 if they did so. Once the excess was completed they could have furloughed but by then the potential benefit was gone. In my opinion 4a2b didn't save anyone's job, it just screwed a lot of people and gave the company more than they would have gotten from a furlough. Just my 2 cents.
03-25-2012, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by gderek
This has been rehashed over and over again on here. The reality is that FedEx wasn't in a position to furlough unless they planned to do so out of seniority order. They would have had to park the 727 if they did so. Once the excess was completed they could have furloughed but by then the potential benefit was gone. In my opinion 4a2b didn't save anyone's job, it just screwed a lot of people and gave the company more than they would have gotten from a furlough. Just my 2 cents.
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03-25-2012, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by brownie
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH,, You better go back and read the mgt letter to your alpo 3 yrs ago. You were 700 over manned and looking for ways to avoid furlough and thats when 4a2b kicked in and went on for 21/2 years. So yes your 4a2b did save manny jobs and if you didn't have that language you've have been in lot worst shape today, What was so strange is as soon as you were all back to normal pay status Freddy decided to purchase 44 777's.... I wonder when he got that monet from. Never mind i think we all know the answer.
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03-25-2012, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by gderek
We have April 2005 hires that are going to training in a couple of months in the left seat of the 727. So they will be junior to the most junior HKG Capt.
03-25-2012, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by buggs
At UPS we have June 2007 hires that are out of work. So take that.
My comment was certainly not a jab at UPS folks, especially those that were sacrificed for Davis' bonuses, merely adding to someone's previous post. And I certainly wasn't trying to make this a UPS vs. FedEx thread like Brownie seemed to be doing.
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