Yeah...because 68% of us are mindless idiots who don't have the mental capacity to formulate their own opinions

The "68%" just mindlessly parrot whatever "the MEC says" - regardless of who the MEC is (DW or SS) and regardless of their agenda or how they're "telling us" to vote.

Am I the only one who's getting sick to death of these kind of ridiculous, baseless, inflammatory, condescending, asinine statements?

Give ME (us all) a break - stop living in the past.

Try making a positive/constructive contribution to the discussion that's relevant TODAY.

 

Only if the MEC/NC agreed to a crappy system, with crappy paramaters. Read my previous posts, not ALL PBS is created equal, nor negotiated the SAME. Not all systems build trips right up to vacation, not all systems make a pilot meet a credit window, as you allude to above. Some systems give the vacation credit, PLUS a "virtual credit" in a vacation month so pilot does minimal, if any flying during a vacation month.

CAL PBS = crappy. Uses globalization and unstacking, because the pilots let it when it was negotiated. They bent over, grabbed their ankles, an let the company inflict maximum destruction on their cornholes when they (CAL MEC) agreed to that system with those (lack of) work rules. And they weren't even in BK.

ASA PBS = one of the best out there. Max vacation conflict, preferences honored more than ANY PBS out there. Doesn't use globalization to run the sort/solution.

Doesn't matter, just vote NO.

 

What he said.

The 68% voted for the first LOA because it was that deal, or no deal.

You really think HKG with no housing supplement would be better?

Don't even start about how we could have held out for a better deal. Anyone who knew the leaders and negotiators at that time - on both sides - knew how crazy that sounded.

Any solution that starts with, "First we'll recall all the MEC" is not a solution.

 

I dont know we could ask the guys not collecting their 98%. But to answer your question; yes cause it would be SIBA.

Look it was a bad deal because there was not a lot of ground work. People who said it was a bad deal and we are screwing FDX pilots with vague language and extremely loopy tax rules were called proponents of hystaria and blown off. If you cant stand the I told you so's look the other way. Or I'll look the other way at your calls to stop the I told you so's.

 

Hey, I agree with that statement 110%. I'm still shocked that the advice of the pilots over there - including one living in Gold Coast - was ignored, on both sides of the table.

It's just that a lot of us thought it was this deal or zero deal. And that we could work to bump it up later - which we did. That was, indeed, a rational position back then.

 

No argument but what is the point of being right if you cant gloat. Personally I havent said a lot of I told you so's lately because it does seem like gloating with guys on the street.

While I dont think 68% of us are mindless, I do think 50% of us dont give a RA because it dont effect me.

If we could just get the 50% number down to 40% we might have more leverage.

 

Agreed. Hang together or hang separately. A very american concept.....

 

MaxKts,

My wife flies using PBS (as well as many of my friends) and I don't. I see on a monthly basis how her quality of life is much worse. Were do I begin. No vacation conflicts, no training conflicts, hours spent trying to figure out what the computer is going to award, only to find out after the fact that you missed some arcane scoring parameter and are continually awarded something you didn't want. No thanks!

(My opinion only) I think PBS is a huge win for the companies that sell it and the airlines that implement it & control it and a huge loss of QOL for the crews that have to work under it. Also, for those that ask, "What if the pilot's control the PBS parameters? It would be okay then." Why would the airline spend big bucks on PBS to then turn around and not extract at least the cost of the software contract annually in crew QOL savings? There is absolutely no financial incentive to buy this type of solution and let the pilots control it where no savings occur.

I will vote no on any contract or LOA that allows PBS at FedEx. Maybe not a big deal to you or others, but is a show stopper for me. Thankfully, everyone gets a vote. I can only control my own vote and, in the meantime, provide some perspective from someone who lives with/without PBS each and every month.

 

Sorry, just had to slightly fix it for you. EVERY company that has bent over and accepted a PBS system had their MEC/pilot group agree to it.

Either in a BK (UAL, DAL, etc) where the vote wasn't as black white/cut and dry, or just on a concessionary CBA, like CAL. With BOTH the company AND the MEC reps pushing for it, saying how it's needed to be "economically viable" and "cost competitive" blah blah blah.......

As others have said, if/when it gets lumped into the sum of a CBA package it should be considered, make sure to take it into account. Even if they're offering 350$/hr for WB CA.

 

Far more potential for bad than good, One good outcome out of all the airlines using PBS!! Glad you like it guess what we at FedEx do not want it, no matter how you spin it.