HKFlyr

I don't know that is possible...we are a union..LOL. Great post.

TonyC

We agree, the MEC Chairman should speak for the MEC. Of course, it doesn't always look that way. Many people have attributed superhuman powers to our previous MEC Chairman, even calling the MEC his "rubber stamp." When new reps came to town to run him out of office, they endowed his successor with the latitude to "do what we elected him to do" -- which amounts to anything he wants to do -- because they really didn't care much about anything other than the previous MEC Chairman was gone. Kinda like a rubber stamp ...

I won't go so far as to accuse anyone of being of weak mind or under a spell. In fact, several MEC Members are very strong-minded and vocal ... and for that, some would like to have them recalled (FLMD11CAPT and the former P2P Vice-Chairman ... oh, wait, he's the P2P Vice Chairman again ... they'd lead the charge). Our biggest handicap right now on the MEC is inexperience. It's easy to be led in the wrong direction when you're lost to begin with.



Where should I begin? Sure, we'll concede that the pilots committed fraud, and stole money from their employer, and we'll subject them to five years of triple-secret probation where they can be fired for missing a deviation check-in, and we'll rely on the generosity of a majority of pilots who still have this notion that the pilots must be guilty if they were fired to voluntarily contribute $100.

Maybe we should nominate you for Negotiating Committee Chairman.



Crack is right. In this organization, it's called Flight Pay Loss. Do some work at home, get removed from a trip, don't worry about having to commute to that domicile you never intended to go to anyway. If you're really special, don't worry about a crashpad in Memphis -- use a room in one of the Union Condos in Germantown.

Crack addicts "follow" their dealers, too, but it's not a function of leadership.


Patently false.






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4A2B

Tony, you obviously know more about what the "devils in the details" problems were of the amnesty offers that were on the table for your HKG brothers in trouble. In reading the VP email it did not reference the guilt admittance, secret probation etc. It just said "preserve careers" and payback arbitrated if the pilot did not agree with the amount and the company has the "burden of proof". Obviously the 4 can each make their own decision and are, but I was simply expressing that it would be nice to find a method to fight this battle with them in the jet and not on the street.

Negotiator Chairman? no thanks I can't drink all that expensive wine or handle all that cigar smoking.

Gunter

Whatever you say.

I'm hoping our staff can focus on real work instead of dealing with accusations that will not be investigated and individual grandstanding meant to steer the membership in the direction they want it to go.

Gunter

So it's turned into a "My rubber stamp Chair is better than your rubber stamp Chair"?


Here is the major difference I'm seeing if that analogy has any basis in reality. The MEC under DW was functional. Those that did not totally agree with the overall direction chose to compromise and participate.

Now those in the minority choose to disrupt and distract. I call this movement "Occupy the FDX MEC".

You may feel you have been the victim of a terrible conspiracy from evil forces. The reality is you were subject to a democratic process in our system. Your own actions created the outcome.

You may think YOU are not weak minded and doing a great work because you refuse to give in. But great things often happen because leaders recognize the need to compromise. When they draw a line in the sand and dig in till then end, regardless of the odds or risks, the result is often disaster. History is littered with that outcome.

TonyC

I don't know what actions I've been accused of, or what I refused to give in about, but I didn't think we were talking about me, anyway. I'm not doing work anymore -- I'm enjoying my free time. What we were talking about is the MEC and its chairman.

Any system which attempts to build consensus by eliminating the dissenters doesn't deserve to be called democratic. This method of purging is more closely affiliated with fascism.






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Gunter

I stand by my comments. You were the subject of recall. You call it fascism and I call it a democratic process within the FDX ALPA system.

If someone would have intimidated you in some sort of physical way then it would have definitely been a form of fascism. Of course it would have been wrong if you were intimidated in any way. Did you feel intimidated?

I think you underestimated or misunderstood how unhappy dues paying members had become in your block.

TonyC

There's more to fascism than capital punishment and intimidation. A fascist state purges people, ideas, etc., contrary to its own in order to achieve its goals through a contrived "unity." I didn't say or imply that the process was like fascism in every respect -- only in the respect of purging dissenters.



Oh, I know I made some people unhappy.

At some point in time you'll need to get over me (I'm gone, remember?) and face up to the reality of what's left.

Remember the fired Hong Kong pilots? Oh, yeah, that's what this thread started about. Remember how the MEC chose to embark on a campaign of enhanced communications about the issue rather than approve a $4 per person per month assessment to show our support for those fired pilots? Now, remember the last communication you received from the MEC on the topic?






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trashhauler

In fact, several MEC Members are very strong-minded and vocal ... and for that, some would like to have them recalled (FLMD11CAPT and the former P2P Vice-Chairman ... oh, wait, he's the P2P Vice Chairman again ... they'd lead the charge). Tony C.

Tony, I'm in block 4 and I don't remember getting an e-mail from our chairman or anybody else in the union urging me to recall TH. I and a bunch of people I know in the block did not agree with CB and TH's philosophy, period. I thought the road they wanted us to go down was the wrong one and there were plenty of people who disagreed. There were also plenty of people who agreed with them. We had a vote and the majority won.

You make it sound like our chairman ordered their banishment and it was carried out. It was the democratic process in action. The majority spoke and we need to move on. Had it gone the other way, I wouldn't have been happy, but I would have respected the majority vote and moved on. That's what we have to do if we want any kind of agreement. Just my opinion

TonyC

Remember this? http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ml#post1133138

That was just one post of many, and then there was the series of articles he published, and his many hours hanging around the crew room to "talk" to people.

And yes, that's his real name. His position? P-2-P Committee Vice Chairman. He used ALPA resources to e-mail the first of his articles to all the P-2-P Reps before he "took a leave of absence" from that job to devote his full attention to spearheading the recalls. As of today, he is back in that job as if nothing ever happened.

I could give you many examples of how committee members interfered with the democratic process, but I'll just give you one. I ran across a B-777 Captain who was very upset that he had gotten a call from someone urging him to vote for the recalls of the two reps in his Local Council, and that the caller had started going down a list of supposed wrongdoings. The B-777 Captain was angry because the caller was an Anchorage Captain -- not even in the Memphis domicile, much less his Local Council.

But, again, those reps are gone, so we're going to have to come up with something else or someone else to blame for future shortcomings. Clearly, you can't blame it on the recalled Reps anymore.




Hmmm... now that I think about it, maybe you can. Dave Webb and George Bush are still being blamed, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised if Chris, Tony, and Tony catch the blame for whatever's down the road.






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