I'm starting to get the picture, thanks. I like your optimism on my part too, the "when" and not "if" part of your statement.

 

Wish you the best and honestly suggest trying for FedEx before UPS.

 

I think like most it'll be both and see who calls first. In the meantime I have some intermediate career goals that would make a great life too. We'll see.

 

If I were in your shoes I wouldn't apply to UPS. SWA, Delta are both MUCH better choices.

 

Yes, and I think that tallflyer will initiate our b-scale some time in the future. His past posts indicate that he is very eager to fly upsco for as little as possible.

 

Ok, really? Show me where I've shown anything but support for the IPA and UPS pilot group.

Granted, I'm just some poor sucker hand flying a Chieftain at 17,000 feet over the Rockies single pilot at night while working his way up the food chain. I guess I'll just never be good enough or smart enough to be a vaunted UPS pilot because apparently I didn't learn this stuff a long time ago. Forgive me for having a goal and trying to learn something.

 

Your taking this way to personal. You have every right to come and work at UPS as the next guy does. Your getting replys from pilots that work at UPS and they know what this company is all about. I've been here at UPS just under 8 years (5th airline BTW) and at first I felt very privileged to be here. For the most part I still do! I've learned two things since I've been here.

1. The pilots here are one of the finest groups I've ever had the pleasure to fly with. You need help? You got it, no questions asked!

2. UPS makes billions and billions on our backs, while treating us like crap. They would turn their back on you in a heartbeat and think nothing of it.

So when you start talking about efficiencies that would cause the company to use less pilots, well that stings a little bit. Our only strength is to have more IPA pilots. Leverage is wonderful thing when your dealing with this group from Atlanta!

Keep flying and good luck!

 

OOTSK is correct. You are taking this too personal. But don't worry....you're in good company. Until you "walk the mile in our shoes", there's just no way to make reasonable assessments of this crazy place we call UPS.

Keep striving for your dreams and don't let anyone stop you in your pursuits.

BTW, nearly every single UPS and FEDEX pilot has come up through the ranks similar to where you're at and flown the crappy flying that exists while you're working your way up the ladder. It is difficult and challenging right now, but one day you will realize it was some of the best flying you ever did. Enjoy the ride.

 

Even some of the UPS 747 non IPA captains? I don't think so.....

I know you said nearly,,,but I just had to get that in there...There is nothing like going through a career being junior while a scab like puke tells you how it should be done.....

Oh but wait,,,he is one of the good ones....LOL

 

ups management pilots, there is a group of winners for you. Don't ever trust these guys, they will screw you in a New York minute!