Normal FedEx Approach??
11-23-2012, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by TheFly
Not whining about it, but aren't turbine & large a/c supposed to be configured by 1500agl?
11-23-2012, 08:19 AM
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Gear needs to be down and locked early enough to get the flaps to their final setting prior to 500'. In the particular flight, the tail number is easy to see, and it won't take someone 5 minutes to pull up the line of flight and figure out who the crew was. This moves it from a FOQA event (where it would have been flagged, but protected) to non-sole source. There need to be a couple of ASAPs filed here.
11-23-2012, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ptarmigan
Gear needs to be down and locked early enough to get the flaps to their final setting prior to 500'. In the particular flight, the tail number is easy to see, and it won't take someone 5 minutes to pull up the line of flight and figure out who the crew was. This moves it from a FOQA event (where it would have been flagged, but protected) to non-sole source. There need to be a couple of ASAPs filed here.
11-23-2012, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Unknown Rider
Too late now. Hopefully they've already done that.
11-23-2012, 09:54 AM
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Not being familiar with the MD-10/11, how far can you have the flaps out before it starts to scream at you about the gear? In the ERJ, we can have up to Flaps 22 out (Flaps 45 is the final setting) with the gear up. However, the GPWS starts bugging us at 1200' RA...and in typical Embraer fashion, it's not subtle either.
11-23-2012, 10:00 AM
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Simple math problem?
Here's the way I see it ...
(yes, it's possible I have too much time on my hands and I'm bored?)
According to the clock at the bottom of the video ...
:13 seconds - gear starts down
:52 seconds - tire smoke (runway contact)
If we assume 140KIAS (typical DC-10 landing speed), that equals 236 feet/sec (no wind).
236fps x 39 seconds = 9204'
9204' / 5280 feet per mile = 1.74 miles
1.74 miles x 300 feet per mile (typical 3 degree approach) = 523'
I would call that a typical (IAW SOP) visual approach
Now ... what was the OP's question?
MM
(yes, it's possible I have too much time on my hands and I'm bored?)
According to the clock at the bottom of the video ...
:13 seconds - gear starts down
:52 seconds - tire smoke (runway contact)
If we assume 140KIAS (typical DC-10 landing speed), that equals 236 feet/sec (no wind).
236fps x 39 seconds = 9204'
9204' / 5280 feet per mile = 1.74 miles
1.74 miles x 300 feet per mile (typical 3 degree approach) = 523'
I would call that a typical (IAW SOP) visual approach
Now ... what was the OP's question?
MM
Last edited by MaydayMark; 11-23-2012 at 10:24 AM.
11-23-2012, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark
Here's the way I see it ...
(yes, it's possible I have too much time on my hands and I'm bored?)
According to the clock ay the bottom of the video ...
:13 seconds - gear starts down
:52 seconds - tire smoke (runway contact)
If we assume 140KIAS (typical DC-10 landing speed), that equals 236 feet/sec (no wind).
236fps x 39 seconds = 9204'
9204' / 5280 feet per mile = 1.74 miles
1.74 miles x 300 feet per mile (typical 3 degree approach) = 523'
I would call that a typical (IAW SOP) visual approach
Now ... what was the OP's question?
MM
(yes, it's possible I have too much time on my hands and I'm bored?)
According to the clock ay the bottom of the video ...
:13 seconds - gear starts down
:52 seconds - tire smoke (runway contact)
If we assume 140KIAS (typical DC-10 landing speed), that equals 236 feet/sec (no wind).
236fps x 39 seconds = 9204'
9204' / 5280 feet per mile = 1.74 miles
1.74 miles x 300 feet per mile (typical 3 degree approach) = 523'
I would call that a typical (IAW SOP) visual approach
Now ... what was the OP's question?
MM
you start the clock when the gear "starts" down...gear doors not closed until about 15 seconds to touchdown and in my jet "gear down" is not complete until the doors lights are out. Not too mention they cant put final flaps in until the gear is down unless they don't mind more chatter on the EGPWS.
11-23-2012, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 4A2B
only one problem with your rithmatic...
you start the clock when the gear "starts" down...gear doors not closed until about 15 seconds to touchdown and in my jet "gear down" is not complete until the doors lights are out. Not too mention they cant put final flaps in until the gear is down unless they don't mind more chatter on the EGPWS.
you start the clock when the gear "starts" down...gear doors not closed until about 15 seconds to touchdown and in my jet "gear down" is not complete until the doors lights are out. Not too mention they cant put final flaps in until the gear is down unless they don't mind more chatter on the EGPWS.
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