FDX - B-767 - LOA or ELSE!
03-14-2013, 04:23 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by Gunter
It's not about keeping work rules. It's about figuring out how to integrate, or keep separate, the 767 and 757. Especially for pay purposes.
Until that is ironed out you won't see me bid the thing. I'd hate to be senior enough to hold a 767 line but end up flying sub trips at the 757 rate.
IMHO a combined 767/757 reserve system is in our future. How that gets paid, at the wide body or narrow body rate, needs to be agreed upon.
Until that is ironed out you won't see me bid the thing. I'd hate to be senior enough to hold a 767 line but end up flying sub trips at the 757 rate.
IMHO a combined 767/757 reserve system is in our future. How that gets paid, at the wide body or narrow body rate, needs to be agreed upon.
That's the whole point of the negotiations and a TA.
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03-14-2013, 04:37 PM
#32
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Heard on the crew bus that there will be a bid for the initial crews for the round dial 767. Then, there will be two seperate bidpacks and senority list for each aircraft for additional bids. You will either be in the 767 bidpack or 757 bidpack. 767 bidpack may have 757 flying, but will be paid as a widebody as well as widebody for reserve and vacation. 757 bidpack will pay narrowbody for vacation and reserve. It may have 767 flying, but only the trip with 767 flying will be paid widebody. This was all heard secondhand, so I can't say how accurate it is. Also heard the LOA will only cover the round dial bid and the contract will cover everything else. In any case, we'll probably know more from the union within the next few days....hopefully.
03-14-2013, 06:12 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by 1st overnite
Heard on the crew bus that there will be a bid for the initial crews for the round dial 767. Then, there will be two seperate bidpacks and senority list for each aircraft for additional bids. You will either be in the 767 bidpack or 757 bidpack. 767 bidpack may have 757 flying, but will be paid as a widebody as well as widebody for reserve and vacation. 757 bidpack will pay narrowbody for vacation and reserve. It may have 767 flying, but only the trip with 767 flying will be paid widebody. This was all heard secondhand, so I can't say how accurate it is. Also heard the LOA will only cover the round dial bid and the contract will cover everything else. In any case, we'll probably know more from the union within the next few days....hopefully.
If true, just be careful to turn your speakers down before clicking an open-time 767 trip or the "giant sucking sound" might damage your ears.
03-14-2013, 07:10 PM
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Pretty sure I know how I feel about someone with their butt in the same seat, flying the same legs, but getting WB pay...But maybe the twenty or so super-duper senior guys who will be able to hold it will be able to convince 68% of the guys that it's a swell plan? Maybe we can give them an extra 1/2 stripe so we wouldn't confuse them with us normal 75 guys.
03-14-2013, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by av8rmike
Pretty sure I know how I feel about someone with their butt in the same seat, flying the same legs, but getting WB pay...But maybe the twenty or so super-duper senior guys who will be able to hold it will be able to convince 68% of the guys that it's a swell plan? Maybe we can give them an extra 1/2 stripe so we wouldn't confuse them with us normal 75 guys.
03-15-2013, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by av8rmike
Pretty sure I know how I feel about someone with their butt in the same seat, flying the same legs, but getting WB pay...But maybe the twenty or so super-duper senior guys who will be able to hold it will be able to convince 68% of the guys that it's a swell plan? Maybe we can give them an extra 1/2 stripe so we wouldn't confuse them with us normal 75 guys.
03-15-2013, 06:39 AM
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Just Say NO!
We are in Section 6 negotiations under the RLA.
The company has to follow the contract with regards to bringing new aircraft on the property. And we have a process if we disagree. This isn't gloom and doom if we don't roll over with a quickly agreed upon LOA. (Like buying something, if you have to do it immediately or the deal is off, I'm suspect - and that is when I walk off the lot)
Giving them an LOA that isn't part of a CBA - our whole CBA - is again giving them a pass.
Just say no. Lets actually show some unity for a change with a no vote.
It would be even better if no one bid it, or (gasp) ALPA actually said "don't bid it". But some might take that as being confrontational. (and we wouldn't want to be confrontational)
Who ever said no half deals is right. NO NOPE NADA BUBKIS ZIP.
The company has to follow the contract with regards to bringing new aircraft on the property. And we have a process if we disagree. This isn't gloom and doom if we don't roll over with a quickly agreed upon LOA. (Like buying something, if you have to do it immediately or the deal is off, I'm suspect - and that is when I walk off the lot)
Giving them an LOA that isn't part of a CBA - our whole CBA - is again giving them a pass.
Just say no. Lets actually show some unity for a change with a no vote.
It would be even better if no one bid it, or (gasp) ALPA actually said "don't bid it". But some might take that as being confrontational. (and we wouldn't want to be confrontational)
Who ever said no half deals is right. NO NOPE NADA BUBKIS ZIP.
03-15-2013, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
You have that situation now, with Pilots who are on Passover Pay.
At least we have that going for us.
03-15-2013, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by HKFlyr
Giving them an LOA that isn't part of a CBA - our whole CBA - is again giving them a pass.
Just say no.
Who ever said no half deals is right.
How is it Half?
03-15-2013, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunter
Someone is going to have to explain how a deal in LOA form is different than possibly the same deal in CBA clothing.
How is it Half?
How is it Half?
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