RedeyeAV8r

Its Ok, it will be cocktail hour in about 7 hours.....early bird catches the worm?

I think we are arguing when we actually agree.
It was a Mistake in 2006 that we agreed for the 757 to be a NB.
It can carry 20K more in Revenue and has one less crew member and is more fuel efficient than the 727. All +'s for the Company. It should have paid more maybe not quite WB but certainly not NB. But that ship sailed 7 years ago.

Going forward & despite all the Loop holes Tony C and others have pointed out about the LOA (which are all valid concerns) I would rather get this LOA done because I do not favor our Odds in a 26K Arbitration.
One more item checked off.

We do have bigger Fish. Fix 4. A 2 b, Fix accepted Fares and DH issues, Fix open time and Trip trade and Bid line adjustment, Tighten up some scope and scheduling language, get a pay raise for everyone and Say a big NO to PBS.

How's That?

Adlerdriver

New questions resulting from the webcast:

They mentioned that 757 trips can be classified as 767 trips to even out the bid-pack, etc. even though they have no 767 flights in them. According to the web cast, those trips remain 767 trips throughout the month as view/add and open time changes are made as well as trip revisions.

1. If a 757 pilot flies one of them off reserve and it still has the same ID number it had when the bidpack was published, will he get paid WB pay?

2. If they have to split that same pairing and the Captain's trip now has a different ID, is the reserve 757 Captain that flies it going to get WB pay?

MaxKts

Question 1: The way it was explained to me was once it is designated a 76 trip, WB pay is attached to it and goes with it.

Question 2: He should but who knows what kind of games they will try to play! My guess is if the legs flown were in the 76 bidpack it should be an easy grievance to win

Overnitefr8

That is where the "wide body pay attached" phrase came from according to the web cast. So, yes he should get WB pay according to the NC.

TonyC

That's the only question I asked that they answered.






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Tony,

Should they have answered all your questions at the expense of others?

CloudSailor

Not sure what I was saying either

But what I was thinking was... that even though I personally like the payscale setup as it is now, if in the mid-term our A300's, MD10's, and 11's that fly mainly domestic trips, are replaced with 757's - in those markets in which the ground network is fast and reliable enough to support the change to NB aircraft (ala UPS) - the ratio of NB/WB aircraft might change drastically from what we now have.

I had this thread of thought because of the MEC's argument against a single payscale. It's healthy to question authority: even though it is a valid argument today, it may not be so valid of an argument for the future.

So, bottom line, I'm also happy with the NB/WB, even though I am on the NB -- by choice. But hopefully we revisit the merit/demerit of a single payscale in the next contract negotiations. Things could change enough to where a single payscale would be beneficial to seniority and majority, when the majority of our fleet is comprised of B777, B767/757.

TipTip35

Whether sitting reserve or airport stby my pay rate is determined by the capability I provide. If I'm on the hook to operate your widebody aircraft then I should be paid a widebody rate even if you dont use me and even if you've classified me as a B-757 guy.

If you really think about its akin to telling a 777 guy that while you're on reserve you get one pay rate. If we actually use you on a 777 will pay you the full 777 rate. No takers, right. If a guy is qualified and available for use on a 767 (which is determined to be a widebody) then he should be paid a widebody rate

kronan

If the LOA doesn't pass (doubtful IMO)

Can't see any way an arbitrator doesn't view the 76 as a wide body while determining the appropriate pay rate.

And, since lines are built by the SIG, hard for me to envision our folks just scattering 76 trips throughout the bid pack. But, we definitely lose the some 57 trips paid at WB (due to the single bid pack thinking its way unlikely that LOA provision gets accepted)

Philosophically, I don't like the idea of separate pay rates in the cockpit (nb vs wb). And the WB reserve utilization will be way higher than it would be if they were separate pools. Also don't like the idea of only the senior and junior folks (eg Reserve) getting wb pay while the middle line holder/vto guy will purely be a NB pay unless drafted. If I can do the trip on RSV, would be nice to be in the combined feeding frenzy open time has become

FDXLAG

Sounds right to me.

I was traveling during the webcast, hopefully a link will be provided to watch the instant replay.