HIFLYR

Good luck with that but yes hypothetically speaking they could do either but I bet one stands a better chance.

FDXLAG

There is also option C; if you knock out a 76 trip you get 76 pay. Kind of like what happens now with every other airplane on the property.

RedeyeAV8r

According to APC, Delta does it like this.

767/757 are paid the same. $213/hr which is 12/hr less that our 757 and 48 less than our 767 LOA rate.

They pay their Bigger 747, 777 and A330 at 255/hr.

Which buy the way is less than our 777 or MD11 A-300 (and potentially less that our new 767).

I apologize to my Delta Friends. Please understand that I am not picking on Delta or trying to play the my airline is better than your airline game. I am not. My hope is that at FDX we protect and keep our potential new 767 Rate as a Wide body and as high as possible. It is always my sincere hope the next few Industry Contracts can top our rates. That will be Good for everyone.

To FDXLAG, that my friend is how Delta Does it. Would you be happy with that?

Adlerdriver

Redeye,
I think you're talking apple/oranges. Comparing the rates in a pay per size/weight system to our NB/WB system doesn't really help us much.

It sounds like how Delta does it in basic terms as far as paying the 757/767 guys is a single rate. The only other info that might be worthy would be how they came about that rate. Is it what they would have paid 767 guys if that's all they operated (i.e. our WB pay for us here at Fdx), is it a hybrid rate or a 757 rate.

That's about the only info at Delta that gives us a data point on how we might crack this nut, IMO. That's the way I took FDXLAG's comment, not comparing actual rates.

RedeyeAV8r

Adler

The Point is DAL, UAL, AMR and even USairways pay the Same for the 757/767. and it is Less than their Bigger Widebody AC
With the Exception of the 767-400 Their 75/76s are in the Same Bid pack.
They didn't use pay the same before their Bankrupt imposed Contracts.
The 767 use to pay more. Internationally it was further broken out.Bankruptcy Judges changed that for most of them and it wasn't for the better, just ask them.

Ask the Delta/ UAL AMR pilots if they would like their 767's to pay 18% more than their 757's.
Ask them if they would prefer all of their 767 be placed in the smae Pay Band Group of their 777, 747's or A330's.


I am not picking on LAG, I get his opinion.

It is apparent we have different outlooks due to our Seniority.
I don't fly the Boeing, he does. I can Hold the WB airplanes at a Line holding Seniority, (although not as Senior as I'd like), I don't think he can (Assumption only). FedEx parking all the 727's . These guys have to go somewhere , Furthermore FedEx is going to start parking A300/310's, MD10s. These Pilots will have to go somewhere.
FedEX is buying 757's left and right. These are by Contract Narrow Bodies. FedEx has order what 40 + or- 767's? I can only assume more 767's will follow, probably many more as something needs to replace the old MD10 and A300's. Currently 767's are in 26k status, they are not in a Determined Category. I think we all agree we want them in a WB category. I think we all want to protect as many Widebody seats
as we can.


I understand FDX Junior guys who can't hold a WB bid now, or those on Eternal Passover Pay , or those who prefer to (exercise their seniority) by staying Senior eon the 757 would relish the opportunity to Occasionally make WB pay under a Single Bid pack. The problem is there is NO Guarantee 767 lines would be built pure in a Combined Bid Pack. With the LOA if their is a Line that is all 757 Pure It pays WB pay. Which is Better in the Long term for ALL?

Using the same reasoning for those that desire a combined 75/76.
What if FedEx hits hard times and comes to us for Concessions in the future?
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Think about this. Would we ever want agree to reduce the A310 to a NB and keep in in the Same Bid Pack as the A300 or do the same with the MD-10 in the MD-11 Bidpack? After all they are smaller and carry less? Isn't that really the same thing as what the 757/767 would be in one Bid Pack?

What if the Company buys the 767-400? Should we lump this in with the 757 Too?

If I had my wish, this LOA would make the 767 in its own Bid pack in the Wide body category entirely separate with no cross pollenating, but it doesn't. I bet the NC would like this too.

Now barring that, I wish the 757 would be paid as a WB but it isn't. While that has its issues too, it would certainly make things easier, although the more Senior 757 Pilots who elect to stay on the 757 for Seniority wouldn't be happy as if that were the case, the 757 would become the Senior airplane imho.


Debate is healthy, Debate is good. Many good and bad scenarios have been brought up here. There are Pros and Cons to everything.

So now we all have a Choice to make. Take the Deal that our NC and MEC has put before us (yes it has some shortcomings), Contractually Establish the 767 as a WB category, with its own Bid Pack (sort of) or.......

Vote this thing down and hope our NC can improve it before the Company posts a 767 Vacancy Bid (rumor has it by Late April early May).
If there is No agreement do you think we will get a better deal with the 26K arbitrator? Do you not think people will bid the 767 without any deal? And Unlike the 777, we already have 767 pilots trained, they just need a day or 2 of differences and are ready. Do you think we can get a Full Ratifiable Contract before the first 767 shows up in August?

Whatever your Opinion.......a 100% vote would be Something.

RedeyeAV8r

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Rock

I think you raise key points here but I'm not sure I agree with your assumptions. Yes, FedEx is buying 757's left and right. That is a fact. So is the order for 40+ 767's. But even with an optimistic outlook at the future of FedEx operations, I doubt we will ever need the widebody capacity currently represented by our A300 and MD10 fleet. American industry is finding less expensive ways of managing their inventories and deliveries. I strongly suspect the FedEx Express of the future will look a lot more like the FedEx of the more distant past as far as the breakdown of NB and WB aircraft.
If that assumption is true, what is better "in the long term for ALL"?

RedeyeAV8r

In your Scenario.......

757 's stay NB because we already agreed to it in the 2006 CBA.

767's are WB if LOA is ratified. They carry more than the A310 (which is a WB)
They carry just shy of a A300 but with smaller cans.

That was the FedEx model of Past just a separate NB/ WB fleet.

Rock

Agreed. Is that model best for all in the long term? Especially if a majority of our fleet is narrow body?

RedeyeAV8r

Yes as many WB seats as we can save.