Worst Cargo Airlines to fly for (Pay,QOL,ETC)
05-15-2013, 08:06 AM
#101
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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog
"Then come the middle class of ATI/Cappy, the remnants of ABEX, Southern Air, Kalitta, etc.
remnants of ABEX.....ATI/Cappy fly maybe 6-8 airframes and are losing huge $$$$
remnants of ABEX.....ATI/Cappy fly maybe 6-8 airframes and are losing huge $$$$
Last I checked ATI is still contracting ABX to do at least 4 former 727 runs in addition to 1 757 run; amongst others. They are also sending a lot of charter trips ABX's way for the time being. There is a reason for it though and I wouldn't get to cocky. The shoe was on the other foot just over a year ago.
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B727DRVR,
This is exactly what I was hinting at in my posts. I personally like the flying my company does but I would reasonably assume that 8 out of 10 pilots at my airline would rather fly a 757 on ALB-SYR-SDF then fly a 767 into a war zone, making multiple trips through that warzone, or flying into a place that was just on CNN two days ago. All while flying the aircraft at maximum weights and a full boat of jumpseaters at a fraction of the pay scale. The list goes on.....
Great post. Got to keep it in perspective.
05-15-2013, 01:08 PM
#102
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Originally Posted by B727DRVR
OK freightretriever,
I'll bite..... Here is what I know about UPS..,
I lived in, then ran, a UPS crashpad from 1994 to 2000 in SDF. During that time, I flew for a company that was the largest subcontractor for UPS out of SDF flying Aerostars, Metros, Falcons, etc. I have been to most every UPS hub and outstation from Bermuda, to Winnipeg, to CYVR to GDL and all points in between back in the days they had the big "Lear Launches" nearly every night. I, along with 98 other fellow pilots refused to fly struck goods during UPS Teamsters strike at great risk to our careers by refusing to fly with no contract. Only one of 100 crossed, whose nickname was "Scabby" if you put a "c" in his name spelling... I walked the picket line that night in August 1997 and am so proud that we did right thing. No, I never worked there but can honestly say that I know some stuff about life at UPS. Needless to say, I have many friends there from '88 retirees to furloughees.
What you are missing from this thread is PERSPECTIVE and being happy for what little you have! What you have is one of the greatest, tightest, and most unified pilot groups out there. Maybe things have changed for the worse lately, but you still have that pilot group. What you also have is is the toughest and most effective pilot union out there... Disagree? Name a better one.. I can say that having been IBT, ALPA, In-house, and unrepresented. This thread was about $hithole cargo operators that don't have lavs in their B727's and pilots are relieving themselves in relief bags. Ask them about a truly poor QOL.
I can shed a tear for the furloughed UPS pilots.... Having been furloughed 4 times in my career, I understand the pain and suffering that it involves. I also realize that this career is a crapshoot and regardless of your education, experience, or qualifications that this career is all about luck (I can say that having went to the Unemployment office together with a fellow furloughee who was an Air Force Academy graduate). Even astronauts can get furloughed from Pan AM, TWA, Eastern, etc.
Dude, you all need some perspective here regarding the QOL at Fedex, UPS vs. literally everyone else. Do things suck there now more than ever? Sure they do... Could they get worse? Absolutely.. But right now, most UPS pilots have a great QOL compared to every other 121 freight carrier (except maybe Fedex) and certainly better than every 135 freight carrier. Don't believe me, go take a survey at the hub or when you are jumpseating home on Saturday. Yes, it sucks what UPS did to your furloughees by having them move to ANC and then screwing them. But guess what, they have a UPS seniority number. I, and I'll bet most other non-UPS or Fedex pilot on this cargo forum, would rather be a furloughed UPS pilot than the most senior Captain at any other cargo carrier. Is it because UPS is so nice to its employees and treats them so great? Heck no! It's because the UPS pilot group is so great and the IPA kicks comparative a$$.
If the QOL at UPS is the worst you have ever had, boy am I and most other paeons here envious of you! That means that you must never have been a CFI, Regional pilot, banner tower, 135 freight pilot, 121 supplemental cargo pilot, minimum wage job, etc. "Paycheck- great for now?!?!" How many other cargo pilots can EVER say that? You remind me of this delightfully obtuse guy in my SDF crashpad whose nickname was "Unsat" because he was always saying how unsat things were at UPS. Unsat prided himself on the fact that the only civilian job that he ever held was at UPS. That means no lemonade stands, no grass cutting, no washing planes at an FBO, nothing. Unsat went from high school to college, then OCS, then USAF, and finally UPS. Unsat was hilarious because he was so out of touch in describing how awful his life was at UPS to guys who were fighting for their lives trying to survive Part 135 cargo flying without getting killed or violated. One time, Unsat actually jumpseated with us on our Falcon going to SDF. This was out of LAX and for ONCE in my part 135 cargo career I GOT A CREW MEAL!!!!!! This ONCE IN A 135 CARGO PILOT LIFETIME crew meal was all they could find for us and must have cost them a fortune cause it had like 4 courses, came with orchids, and was in a nice box. But since we said we were not flying unless we ate, they got it for us.
Unsat couldn't believe our crew meal... Being innocently and cluelessly demeaning of us, he said "Hey, do you guys eat like this all the time?" The other pilot and I looked at each other and back at him and said "don't you?" We had fun stirring him up... "Yeah, if I were you, I'd call Bob Miller at home tonight and raise holy hell that we get better crew meals than you"
. And he's like, "Hey, no offense, but we should be getting at Least what you subcontractors get". We had him ready to file a grievance as soon as he got to SDF. One of one of my other UPS roomies made me finally tell him that we didn't get that catering all the time or ever and he was actually relieved 
.
We really got Unsat all stirred up at the hub one night (back in the day, we sat in the cafeteria right next to the UPS pilots) because we told him that his freight dog sticker on his flight bag was posing. He didn't understand that he truly was NOT a real freight dog. If you have a union, association, or a contract, you are not a freight dog. If you have an A, B, or any fund, you are not a freight dog. If you are in CASS or KCM, you are not a freight dog ("Sorry, you aren't on our list..."). If your plane came from the factory as a freighter, you are not a freight dog. Real freight dogs come from KYIP and fly non-known ice P210 or Lances over Lake Michigan at night, hands and shirt dirty from loading the greasy automotive parts by hand. Freight dogs also load and unload thousands of pounds into a Metro, Caravan, etc. after having to wait out on the SDF ramp in the freezing cold with no APU for heat(I hear that UPS wants to keep the subcontractors out at the planes these days, but I wouldn't know that for sure since I'm not a real freight dog anymore, either). Ask them about their Pay and QOL in comparison to yours, even as an '07 hire.
In the end, Unsat ended up leaving UPS for the "Majors" like so many other UPS pilots who bailed in the late 90's 'til Sept. 11. Unsat ended up getting furloughed from a Major and I shed a tear for him. Unsat wasn't a bad guy (Just delightfully and innocently obtuse) and didn't deserve that fate. Whether the humbling and humiliating experience of being furloughed brought him back down to Earth, I don't know. But I am sure that he and most others who left wish that they had stayed there.
So back to where this thread started, most of the middle class cargo jobs are gone, and much like our new economy it's the Super rich and the very poor in Cargo, with a handful of good middle class cargo carriers left. Yes, that's hyperbole because UPS and Fedex are far from perfect and Amerijet must have something good going for it. Chances are your QOL, pay, and everything else of at a YIP or MIA based freight carrier will be much less than at an SDF or MEM based cargo carrier. Most real freight dogs can tell you that with great ease.
Finally, to the UPS pilot who used the scab word to compare to someone with whom he disagreed, to use that word for someone who isn't a scab only dilutes its true meaning. I can say that having walked a picket line... At UPS. So no, I don't work for UPS and I'm sure that with my picture in UPS Loss Prevention files from that night during the strike, no I'll never work at UPS, either. But the great majority of my many, many friends that work there (many from "the Majors") agree that it is the best job that they ever had despite "being up late, flying freight, for people you hate".
Good luck to all the real freight dogs out there and to the airline pilots who just happen to fly freight. Flame away!
I'll bite..... Here is what I know about UPS..,
I lived in, then ran, a UPS crashpad from 1994 to 2000 in SDF. During that time, I flew for a company that was the largest subcontractor for UPS out of SDF flying Aerostars, Metros, Falcons, etc. I have been to most every UPS hub and outstation from Bermuda, to Winnipeg, to CYVR to GDL and all points in between back in the days they had the big "Lear Launches" nearly every night. I, along with 98 other fellow pilots refused to fly struck goods during UPS Teamsters strike at great risk to our careers by refusing to fly with no contract. Only one of 100 crossed, whose nickname was "Scabby" if you put a "c" in his name spelling... I walked the picket line that night in August 1997 and am so proud that we did right thing. No, I never worked there but can honestly say that I know some stuff about life at UPS. Needless to say, I have many friends there from '88 retirees to furloughees.
What you are missing from this thread is PERSPECTIVE and being happy for what little you have! What you have is one of the greatest, tightest, and most unified pilot groups out there. Maybe things have changed for the worse lately, but you still have that pilot group. What you also have is is the toughest and most effective pilot union out there... Disagree? Name a better one.. I can say that having been IBT, ALPA, In-house, and unrepresented. This thread was about $hithole cargo operators that don't have lavs in their B727's and pilots are relieving themselves in relief bags. Ask them about a truly poor QOL.
I can shed a tear for the furloughed UPS pilots.... Having been furloughed 4 times in my career, I understand the pain and suffering that it involves. I also realize that this career is a crapshoot and regardless of your education, experience, or qualifications that this career is all about luck (I can say that having went to the Unemployment office together with a fellow furloughee who was an Air Force Academy graduate). Even astronauts can get furloughed from Pan AM, TWA, Eastern, etc.
Dude, you all need some perspective here regarding the QOL at Fedex, UPS vs. literally everyone else. Do things suck there now more than ever? Sure they do... Could they get worse? Absolutely.. But right now, most UPS pilots have a great QOL compared to every other 121 freight carrier (except maybe Fedex) and certainly better than every 135 freight carrier. Don't believe me, go take a survey at the hub or when you are jumpseating home on Saturday. Yes, it sucks what UPS did to your furloughees by having them move to ANC and then screwing them. But guess what, they have a UPS seniority number. I, and I'll bet most other non-UPS or Fedex pilot on this cargo forum, would rather be a furloughed UPS pilot than the most senior Captain at any other cargo carrier. Is it because UPS is so nice to its employees and treats them so great? Heck no! It's because the UPS pilot group is so great and the IPA kicks comparative a$$.
If the QOL at UPS is the worst you have ever had, boy am I and most other paeons here envious of you! That means that you must never have been a CFI, Regional pilot, banner tower, 135 freight pilot, 121 supplemental cargo pilot, minimum wage job, etc. "Paycheck- great for now?!?!" How many other cargo pilots can EVER say that? You remind me of this delightfully obtuse guy in my SDF crashpad whose nickname was "Unsat" because he was always saying how unsat things were at UPS. Unsat prided himself on the fact that the only civilian job that he ever held was at UPS. That means no lemonade stands, no grass cutting, no washing planes at an FBO, nothing. Unsat went from high school to college, then OCS, then USAF, and finally UPS. Unsat was hilarious because he was so out of touch in describing how awful his life was at UPS to guys who were fighting for their lives trying to survive Part 135 cargo flying without getting killed or violated. One time, Unsat actually jumpseated with us on our Falcon going to SDF. This was out of LAX and for ONCE in my part 135 cargo career I GOT A CREW MEAL!!!!!! This ONCE IN A 135 CARGO PILOT LIFETIME crew meal was all they could find for us and must have cost them a fortune cause it had like 4 courses, came with orchids, and was in a nice box. But since we said we were not flying unless we ate, they got it for us.
Unsat couldn't believe our crew meal... Being innocently and cluelessly demeaning of us, he said "Hey, do you guys eat like this all the time?" The other pilot and I looked at each other and back at him and said "don't you?" We had fun stirring him up... "Yeah, if I were you, I'd call Bob Miller at home tonight and raise holy hell that we get better crew meals than you"
. And he's like, "Hey, no offense, but we should be getting at Least what you subcontractors get". We had him ready to file a grievance as soon as he got to SDF. One of one of my other UPS roomies made me finally tell him that we didn't get that catering all the time or ever and he was actually relieved .We really got Unsat all stirred up at the hub one night (back in the day, we sat in the cafeteria right next to the UPS pilots) because we told him that his freight dog sticker on his flight bag was posing. He didn't understand that he truly was NOT a real freight dog. If you have a union, association, or a contract, you are not a freight dog. If you have an A, B, or any fund, you are not a freight dog. If you are in CASS or KCM, you are not a freight dog ("Sorry, you aren't on our list..."). If your plane came from the factory as a freighter, you are not a freight dog. Real freight dogs come from KYIP and fly non-known ice P210 or Lances over Lake Michigan at night, hands and shirt dirty from loading the greasy automotive parts by hand. Freight dogs also load and unload thousands of pounds into a Metro, Caravan, etc. after having to wait out on the SDF ramp in the freezing cold with no APU for heat(I hear that UPS wants to keep the subcontractors out at the planes these days, but I wouldn't know that for sure since I'm not a real freight dog anymore, either). Ask them about their Pay and QOL in comparison to yours, even as an '07 hire.
In the end, Unsat ended up leaving UPS for the "Majors" like so many other UPS pilots who bailed in the late 90's 'til Sept. 11. Unsat ended up getting furloughed from a Major and I shed a tear for him. Unsat wasn't a bad guy (Just delightfully and innocently obtuse) and didn't deserve that fate. Whether the humbling and humiliating experience of being furloughed brought him back down to Earth, I don't know. But I am sure that he and most others who left wish that they had stayed there.
So back to where this thread started, most of the middle class cargo jobs are gone, and much like our new economy it's the Super rich and the very poor in Cargo, with a handful of good middle class cargo carriers left. Yes, that's hyperbole because UPS and Fedex are far from perfect and Amerijet must have something good going for it. Chances are your QOL, pay, and everything else of at a YIP or MIA based freight carrier will be much less than at an SDF or MEM based cargo carrier. Most real freight dogs can tell you that with great ease.
Finally, to the UPS pilot who used the scab word to compare to someone with whom he disagreed, to use that word for someone who isn't a scab only dilutes its true meaning. I can say that having walked a picket line... At UPS. So no, I don't work for UPS and I'm sure that with my picture in UPS Loss Prevention files from that night during the strike, no I'll never work at UPS, either. But the great majority of my many, many friends that work there (many from "the Majors") agree that it is the best job that they ever had despite "being up late, flying freight, for people you hate".
Good luck to all the real freight dogs out there and to the airline pilots who just happen to fly freight. Flame away!
Nice WOT....but just because your "airline" does meet what you perceive to be the level of UPS doesn't mean the UPS pilots should tiptoe around you. If they aren't satisfied with the contract violations, the lack of grievence support, the Companies growing disregard for prior agreements, lack of growth, furloughed crewmwmbers, etc... then they have every right to publically discuss/whine about those conditions. For you, who is not a member of the IPA, to tell any other company/airline employee what they should and shouldn't be upset with is just plain arrogant and ignorant. You provide a long list of your experiences in the aviation industry...i'm shocked that you don't get this point! you sound like a Occupy Wall Streeter demanding the 1% pay more taxes and live like you because you are not a 1%er (maybe defecating on Scott DAvis' car might relieve your itch)... how rich is too rich? heaven forbit they actually raise the salary/QOL bar for other airlines to reference....
you can continue to walk uphill both ways in the snow, while UPS pilots continue to demand contract enforcement and improvements in pay, safety, and QOL.....
05-15-2013, 01:32 PM
#103
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Originally Posted by 1111
Nice WOT....but just because your "airline" does meet what you perceive to be the level of UPS doesn't mean the UPS pilots should tiptoe around you. If they aren't satisfied with the contract violations, the lack of grievence support, the Companies growing disregard for prior agreements, lack of growth, furloughed crewmwmbers, etc... then they have every right to publically discuss/whine about those conditions. For you, who is not a member of the IPA, to tell any other company/airline employee what they should and shouldn't be upset with is just plain arrogant and ignorant. You provide a long list of your experiences in the aviation industry...i'm shocked that you don't get this point! you sound like a Occupy Wall Streeter demanding the 1% pay more taxes and live like you because you are not a 1%er (maybe defecating on Scott DAvis' car might relieve your itch)... how rich is too rich? heaven forbit they actually raise the salary/QOL bar for other airlines to reference....
you can continue to walk uphill both ways in the snow, while UPS pilots continue to demand contract enforcement and improvements in pay, safety, and QOL.....
you can continue to walk uphill both ways in the snow, while UPS pilots continue to demand contract enforcement and improvements in pay, safety, and QOL.....
05-15-2013, 02:23 PM
#104
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B727DRVR, nice post, but you made one mistake! Amerijet and QOL don't belong in the same sentence. While it's true, the 727 guys and gals no longer have to pee in a bag, the company does hate pilots, and this comes straight from the top!
I remember my time there, after landing in Miami we had to take a van ride to customs, which took us by UPS's ramp, and I have to say every trip by I wished I flew for them! Even with all the negativity all over the web, I can assure you, Brown is a better job than Amerijet. Want to compare? Here is what an Amerijet Pilot gets:
Treated poorly.
Lowest pay in the industry(727 and 767).
Non commutable schedules.
Unfair treatment by scheduling.
Don't even think crew meal! Although they finally gave us water
727 guys got their crew base changed by the company if need elsewhere, so no per diem paid.
Did I mention, treated poorly?
Oh, furlough too, the 109 are not alone there.
Scabs.
The pluses
Maintenance was excellent and the training in the 767 was very good(ABX curriculum).
I'm sorry Brown guys, it could be worse for you, try doing the same job for a third of what your making and that's Amerijet, and I'm sure a few other nonsceds. Life just seems to go better with a can do, positive attitude. I know, I went from top of the heap, treated like gold to Amerijet. Kept it as positive as I could and marched on and found a better deal! As I get older, I mean more mature, I've learned life is too short to stay ****ed off, collect that LARGE pay check, go home and enjoy life. If you can't then apply to Delta or United, but the grass might not be as green as you think, if it is, then great you will finally be happy.
I'm just sayin.
I remember my time there, after landing in Miami we had to take a van ride to customs, which took us by UPS's ramp, and I have to say every trip by I wished I flew for them! Even with all the negativity all over the web, I can assure you, Brown is a better job than Amerijet. Want to compare? Here is what an Amerijet Pilot gets:
Treated poorly.
Lowest pay in the industry(727 and 767).
Non commutable schedules.
Unfair treatment by scheduling.
Don't even think crew meal! Although they finally gave us water
727 guys got their crew base changed by the company if need elsewhere, so no per diem paid.
Did I mention, treated poorly?
Oh, furlough too, the 109 are not alone there.
Scabs.
The pluses
Maintenance was excellent and the training in the 767 was very good(ABX curriculum).
I'm sorry Brown guys, it could be worse for you, try doing the same job for a third of what your making and that's Amerijet, and I'm sure a few other nonsceds. Life just seems to go better with a can do, positive attitude. I know, I went from top of the heap, treated like gold to Amerijet. Kept it as positive as I could and marched on and found a better deal! As I get older, I mean more mature, I've learned life is too short to stay ****ed off, collect that LARGE pay check, go home and enjoy life. If you can't then apply to Delta or United, but the grass might not be as green as you think, if it is, then great you will finally be happy.
I'm just sayin.
05-15-2013, 02:58 PM
#105
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Originally Posted by Flint Stone
I'm sorry Brown guys, it could be worse for you, try doing the same job for a third of what your making and that's Amerijet, and I'm sure a few other nonsceds. Life just seems to go better with a can do, positive attitude.
I'm just sayin.
I'm just sayin.
We WILL continue to voice our displeasure at the way we are treated here though. UPS does not have the excuse of being a shoestring operation. WE have improved a lot of things here dramatically since the early days of this airline, and are working on the rest. Think of it as raising the bar for the rest of the industry. It's been a fight to do that here since day one, and it's not easy fighting an 800lb gorilla. YMMV
05-15-2013, 03:03 PM
#106
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Look me in the eye and say that UPS is worst.
1111,
You still don't get it.
This thread was about the WORST CARGO AIRLINES TO FLY FOR. Again, this thread was about the WORST CARGO AIRLINES TO FLY FOR!!!!
I never said that you shouldn't complain and fight for better.. There are several threads including "UPS Blows" for those complaints or the B & G, but this thread was about the WORST CARGO AIRLINES TO FLY FOR.
As far as fighting for something, have YOU ever walked a picket line at UPS or anywhere else. My friends at UPS and everywhere know that I have fought to make every place I have flown a better place through my Union work and I even fought for IPA/IBT. So don't make it sound like I wish UPS pilots made less or more were furloughed. UPS, FDX, ABX, DHL, and Emery pilots, as far as I' concerned, stormed the shore and established a beachhead for all of us.
As the recording during the Strike Info line went, 100% IPA, Good Day....
You still don't get it.
This thread was about the WORST CARGO AIRLINES TO FLY FOR. Again, this thread was about the WORST CARGO AIRLINES TO FLY FOR!!!!
I never said that you shouldn't complain and fight for better.. There are several threads including "UPS Blows" for those complaints or the B & G, but this thread was about the WORST CARGO AIRLINES TO FLY FOR.
As far as fighting for something, have YOU ever walked a picket line at UPS or anywhere else. My friends at UPS and everywhere know that I have fought to make every place I have flown a better place through my Union work and I even fought for IPA/IBT. So don't make it sound like I wish UPS pilots made less or more were furloughed. UPS, FDX, ABX, DHL, and Emery pilots, as far as I' concerned, stormed the shore and established a beachhead for all of us.
As the recording during the Strike Info line went, 100% IPA, Good Day....
05-15-2013, 03:24 PM
#107
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Posts: 175
Originally Posted by Flint Stone
While it's true, the 727 guys and gals no longer have to pee in a bag, the company does hate pilots, and this comes straight from the top!
I remember my time there, after landing in Miami we had to take a van ride to customs, which took us by UPS's ramp, and I have to say every trip by I wished I flew for them! Even with all the negativity all over the web, I can assure you, Brown is a better job than Amerijet. Want to compare? Here is what an Amerijet Pilot gets:
Treated poorly.
Lowest pay in the industry(727 and 767).
Non commutable schedules.
Unfair treatment by scheduling.
Don't even think crew meal! Although they finally gave us water
727 guys got their crew base changed by the company if need elsewhere, so no per diem paid.
Did I mention, treated poorly?
Oh, furlough too, the 109 are not alone there.
Scabs.
I remember my time there, after landing in Miami we had to take a van ride to customs, which took us by UPS's ramp, and I have to say every trip by I wished I flew for them! Even with all the negativity all over the web, I can assure you, Brown is a better job than Amerijet. Want to compare? Here is what an Amerijet Pilot gets:
Treated poorly.
Lowest pay in the industry(727 and 767).
Non commutable schedules.
Unfair treatment by scheduling.
Don't even think crew meal! Although they finally gave us water
727 guys got their crew base changed by the company if need elsewhere, so no per diem paid.
Did I mention, treated poorly?
Oh, furlough too, the 109 are not alone there.
Scabs.
I used to be one of those supplemental 727 guys, living paycheck to paycheck. What's even worse than being stuck at a scumbag supplemental, is being furloughed from one. So here I am now, sending resumes to every reputable airline I can think of and getting no nibbles. It's pretty bad when you actually hope for a recall to a supplemental airline like what is described above, because you need to support your family.
Sorry UPS guys, even though you may think you have it rough over there right now, you still work for one of the best companies in the world. You can't get on a "WORST CARGO AIRLINE EVER" thread and expect to get much sympathy from anybody. There's a thousand guys that will love to be in your shoes right now.
05-15-2013, 03:56 PM
#108
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Originally Posted by 727CA
....never had to work for a place like Amerijet or any of the TOL/YIP airlines.
And in reality, a lot of those airlines aren't that bad relatively speaking. Ten times better then flying a 1950 twin across a lake, thru the cold front, in the ****, and at the freezing level. It is all about perspective.
05-15-2013, 04:38 PM
#109
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"Worst Cargo Airlines to fly for (Pay,QOL,ETC)" THAT'S THE NAME OF THE THREAD!!
There is absolutely no way UPS can be included this. Not "Bad" or "We deserve better". It's WORST. If you work at UPS and honestly want to use this thread to moan and groan about how bad it is and how it's the worst... Then PLEASE leave. Go to work at SkyLease, National, AirNet, USAJet, Southern. After all, if it is so bad, you'd be happier at ANY of these places.
Stop thread-jacking trying to get us to feel sorry for you. I wish things were better at UPS. I wish management there would treat you with more respect. But when an FO is easily clearing $150k, stop whining here.
There is absolutely no way UPS can be included this. Not "Bad" or "We deserve better". It's WORST. If you work at UPS and honestly want to use this thread to moan and groan about how bad it is and how it's the worst... Then PLEASE leave. Go to work at SkyLease, National, AirNet, USAJet, Southern. After all, if it is so bad, you'd be happier at ANY of these places.
Stop thread-jacking trying to get us to feel sorry for you. I wish things were better at UPS. I wish management there would treat you with more respect. But when an FO is easily clearing $150k, stop whining here.
05-15-2013, 05:08 PM
#110
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
"Worst Cargo Airlines to fly for (Pay,QOL,ETC)" THAT'S THE NAME OF THE THREAD!!
Stop thread-jacking trying to get us to feel sorry for you. I wish things were better at UPS. I wish management there would treat you with more respect. But when an FO is easily clearing $150k, stop whining here.
Stop thread-jacking trying to get us to feel sorry for you. I wish things were better at UPS. I wish management there would treat you with more respect. But when an FO is easily clearing $150k, stop whining here.
Lets just say we know we are the highest paid, thanks to a strong union, but we work for what might be the worst company with one of the most acrimonious employee relationships in the industry. And I've worked for some real scumbag outfits too. Money is NOT everything, the more you make the more you realize that.
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