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Old 07-07-2013 | 02:05 PM
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Leave it to Aaron to crystallize the issue. Excellent post!
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Old 07-07-2013 | 02:28 PM
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Hey Albie, you seems to be very well informed, thanks for the great post. I've heard that there are alot of guys at FedEx who can retire today if they want. Is that true and if so how many guys? Just trying to get an idea on what progression can be like once the hiring crank up again.
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Old 07-07-2013 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by erjpilot
Doesn't FedEx have a fairly high amount of mandatory retirements over the next few years + guys that leave before 65? I would think that would result in hiring sooner than later?

I am an outsider but it blows my mind how many airframes FDX has, how many routes they fly (basically everywhere in the world), all with only 4500 pilots (are they all even active?). Hardly seems like that many.
true but FedEx (from what I have seen) is "done" when the destination cargo arrives and the plane is chocked. There are no 0600 thru 10PM all day long flights DFW to LAX, for example. FedEx is back in action in the evening when it is time to go to Memphis.
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Old 07-07-2013 | 02:50 PM
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Hey Albie,

After the DAL/NWA merger, one of the ways mgt chose to shrink to profitability was to offer an early retirement package. Avoided the nasty F word, and got rid of some of the higher paid guys on the payroll with the most vacation, etc.

I know FDX has 4a2b at their disposal, but has the union ever had discussions about Pilot early retirement package ? Just a thought to relieve the stagnation/displacements and move the payroll down a bit from its top-heavy position.

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Old 07-07-2013 | 03:02 PM
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Hey Albie,

After the DAL/NWA merger, one of the ways mgt chose to shrink to profitability was to offer an early retirement package. Avoided the nasty F word, and got rid of some of the higher paid guys on the payroll with the most vacation, etc.

I know FDX has 4a2b at their disposal, but has the union ever had discussions about Pilot early retirement package ? Just a thought to relieve the stagnation/displacements and move the payroll down a bit from its top-heavy position.

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We have the best retirement replacement income ratio in the business and the ability to retire early. There is no way the Company will put more frosting on that cake. Even if they did agree to something it would not be good enough compared to a part time job for most when they have max vacation/sick/dsa to attract enough takers . They will fix this manning problem through attrition and hope they do not get caught in a trough in staffing when the demand curve for our product starts moving up the wave. Even then they have plenty hungry for extra work on property. Just my 2 pennies.
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Old 07-07-2013 | 03:19 PM
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maybe by the time any furloughs become more probable, it will be Christmas package season and it won't be mentioned again
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Old 07-07-2013 | 03:36 PM
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Have you ever heard of United Airlines (west)?
Yep. PBS didn't cause their headache.

If you give up everything for PBS it will suck. If you get to define the guidelines for your PBS you will get what you want. Your fear is from what you've heard from some and the unknown. Ask airlines with PBS that like it and why they like it. Delta likes theirs, ASA likes theirs. Ask them why.
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Old 07-07-2013 | 03:39 PM
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I work for one of the friendly 121 cargo carriers mentioned above. We dont have pbs and i dont know what it means. Why do you not want it? Please explain. Thx...I'm new here to this airline stuff (mil guy)
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Old 07-07-2013 | 03:50 PM
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Yep. PBS didn't cause their headache.

If you give up everything for PBS it will suck. If you get to define the guidelines for your PBS you will get what you want. Your fear is from what you've heard from some and the unknown. Ask airlines with PBS that like it and why they like it. Delta likes theirs, ASA likes theirs. Ask them why.
We have PBS at Fedex. We can bid secondary lines any month we want to gamble. It generally does not work out well for anyone but most senior.

We, as a group, have said no. My Negotiating Committee speaks for me.
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Old 07-07-2013 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by oldcarpilot
Ask airlines with PBS that like it and why they like it. Delta likes theirs, ASA likes theirs. Ask them why.
You are obviously a manager and not on the seniority list. My friends at Delta can no longer conflict bid. Does that sound like a good deal?

Of course Delta and United corporate like it. But the pilots not so much.

You should be a FQS for UPS. You seem like you will fit right in as a 747 captain giving check rides your first month on the line. You are so smart. How does your airline operate when you are on days off?
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