WSJ article on UPS BHM crash
10-12-2013, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Whaledriver101
Pilot error,,,plain & simple. It happens.1) If he was with the company 19 yrs. he was used to flying fatigued. 2) Where the hell is the FO in all this. And how come he let his Capt. fly him into the ground??
Just calling it like I see it.
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10-12-2013, 01:16 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by Whaledriver101
Pilot error,,,plain & simple. It happens.1) If he was with the company 19 yrs. he was used to flying fatigued. 2) Where the hell is the FO in all this. And how come he let his Capt. fly him into the ground??
Just calling it like I see it.
Just calling it like I see it.
And in the unlikely event, mistakes were made....There by the grace of God, go I.
Just callin it like I see it too!
10-12-2013, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Whaledriver101
Pilot error,,,plain & simple. It happens.1) If he was with the company 19 yrs. he was used to flying fatigued. 2) Where the hell is the FO in all this. And how come he let his Capt. fly him into the ground??
Just calling it like I see it.
Just calling it like I see it.
I guess they are guilty of pilot error even though you have no idea what actually happened.
Ignorance is one thing, Stupid is forever.
10-12-2013, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Whaledriver101
Pilot error,,,plain & simple. It happens.1) If he was with the company 19 yrs. he was used to flying fatigued. 2) Where the hell is the FO in all this. And how come he let his Capt. fly him into the ground??
Just calling it like I see it.
Just calling it like I see it.
10-12-2013, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Whaledriver101
Pilot error,,,plain & simple. It happens.1) If he was with the company 19 yrs. he was used to flying fatigued. 2) Where the hell is the FO in all this. And how come he let his Capt. fly him into the ground??
Just calling it like I see it.
Just calling it like I see it.
10-12-2013, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Whaledriver101
Pilot error,,,plain & simple. It happens.1) If he was with the company 19 yrs. he was used to flying fatigued. 2) Where the hell is the FO in all this. And how come he let his Capt. fly him into the ground??
Just calling it like I see it.
Just calling it like I see it.
10-12-2013, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Whaledriver101
Pilot error,,,plain & simple. It happens.1) If he was with the company 19 yrs. he was used to flying fatigued. 2) Where the hell is the FO in all this. And how come he let his Capt. fly him into the ground??
Just calling it like I see it.
Just calling it like I see it.
I'm glad you've already made your mind up--knowing all the facts and pertinent details inside and out.
Uncool, dude. There is NOTHING about an aviation accident that is "plain and simple." But thanks for enlightening us all.
10-12-2013, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld
Absolutely nothing uncommon with his delaying upgrade that long. That was a very poor assertion on the part of the reporter and akin to a hatchet job.
started working for the carrier in 1990, he had remained a co-pilot for about 19 years, an unusually long time, which people familiar with his training record attributed to difficulties during some simulator sessions.
As for the fatigue issue, of course it will come into play. No body is built for a career full of backside clock/night flying. But this is UPS and as a cargo company their bread butter relies on overnight flights connecting through a couple massive hubs to get packages ontime the following day. Sure there are some daytime trips but the majority of trips one would imagine are all night. I assume all UPS pilot applicants would already know it. That is the reason I would never want to work at UPS and FedEx. They are very good places in terms of stability and pay but a career of night flying isn't worth it IMO because that kinda flying takes years off your life. I believe the previous poster is correct that as far as FAR 117 is concerned for a domestic USA trip, this trip would have been legal. 10 hrs rest, max flight time 8-9 hrs depending on showtime, and duty time depends on exact report time but in the evening they could still pull a 10-11 hr day.
Any UPS pilots here, if a pilot was hired today what is the most junior base and aircraft? Could they hold SDF or would it be up in ANC? Just curious in terms of if these pilots had the seniority of holding something else as far as schedules go.
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