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Old 10-12-2013 | 01:04 PM
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Yeah, but some of us pilots are way over conservative.

I fly with some captains that always add fuel no matter what, even when we don't need it.

In your case I see no problem landing at max weight, as long as it fits into the runway distance calculation and performance data, etc. Even if they take off 2000 lbs of fuel will that really matter if you come in ref+30 and float.....probably not.

It is all about flying the plane.
We weren't ferrying 2,000 lbs, we were ferrying 15,000+ regularly.

Have you done a number of night arrivals into Guatemala City in the rainy season? Maybe you have, and our opinions simply differ. That place can be scary.

Even when conditions are good, it's not an airport to mess with in any way due to the RWY itself, let alone the nasty terrain. And when there is moisture, even if there is no reported moisture, the runway, with decades of oil and rubber greased into the pavement, becomes very slick. Then you fall off the cliff.

It is stupid to ferry fuel into MGGT, IMO. Ferry the gas into other airports, but there are a handful like MGGT where it may be legal, but not smart.
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Old 10-12-2013 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Whaledriver101

Pilot error,,,plain & simple. It happens.1) If he was with the company 19 yrs. he was used to flying fatigued. 2) Where the hell is the FO in all this. And how come he let his Capt. fly him into the ground??

Just calling it like I see it.

I would submit that there are some things you ain't seein'.






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Old 10-12-2013 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Whaledriver101
Pilot error,,,plain & simple. It happens.1) If he was with the company 19 yrs. he was used to flying fatigued. 2) Where the hell is the FO in all this. And how come he let his Capt. fly him into the ground??

Just calling it like I see it.
Easy to say mid day, 0 kts and 1G. If you got the stick shake it, if not then before jumping to conclusions,(since you obviously weren't there) give the professional aviator credit until proven otherwise.

And in the unlikely event, mistakes were made....There by the grace of God, go I.

Just callin it like I see it too!
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Old 10-12-2013 | 01:18 PM
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Guat City's famous and not for the squeamish....


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Old 10-12-2013 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Whaledriver101
Pilot error,,,plain & simple. It happens.1) If he was with the company 19 yrs. he was used to flying fatigued. 2) Where the hell is the FO in all this. And how come he let his Capt. fly him into the ground??

Just calling it like I see it.
WoW. What do you see BTW? There have been very few actual facts regarding this released.

I guess they are guilty of pilot error even though you have no idea what actually happened.

Ignorance is one thing, Stupid is forever.
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Old 10-12-2013 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Rocco
Stupid is forever.
So is being junior at UPS.......
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Old 10-12-2013 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Whaledriver101
Pilot error,,,plain & simple. It happens.1) If he was with the company 19 yrs. he was used to flying fatigued. 2) Where the hell is the FO in all this. And how come he let his Capt. fly him into the ground??

Just calling it like I see it.
Really? "Used to flying fatigued"? This entire comment maybe the dumbest thing I've read on this site, and that's really saying something.
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Old 10-12-2013 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Whaledriver101
Pilot error,,,plain & simple. It happens.1) If he was with the company 19 yrs. he was used to flying fatigued. 2) Where the hell is the FO in all this. And how come he let his Capt. fly him into the ground??

Just calling it like I see it.
Sometimes I am really glad these posts are anonymous.
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Old 10-12-2013 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Whaledriver101
Pilot error,,,plain & simple. It happens.1) If he was with the company 19 yrs. he was used to flying fatigued. 2) Where the hell is the FO in all this. And how come he let his Capt. fly him into the ground??

Just calling it like I see it.
There is no such thing as getting used to flying fatigued. If you haven't done an O'dark thirty arrival five times in a week then you don't know what you're talking about.
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Old 10-12-2013 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Whaledriver101
Pilot error,,,plain & simple. It happens.1) If he was with the company 19 yrs. he was used to flying fatigued. 2) Where the hell is the FO in all this. And how come he let his Capt. fly him into the ground??

Just calling it like I see it.
I know nothing beyond what has been publicly released. However, from that I believe that the FO was not a "he" but a highly-respected, and greatly-missed "she." May the departed both rest in peace.

I'm glad you've already made your mind up--knowing all the facts and pertinent details inside and out. Uncool, dude.

There is NOTHING about an aviation accident that is "plain and simple." But thanks for enlightening us all.
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