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10-13-2013 | 10:10 PM

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Archie Bunker

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Originally Posted by Whaledriver101

Pilot error,,,plain & simple. It happens.1) If he was with the company 19 yrs. he was used to flying fatigued. 2) Where the hell is the FO in all this. And how come he let his Capt. fly him into the ground??

Just calling it like I see it.

Wow, I must say…when most guys inadvertently step on their crank here on APC, they usually apologize after they realize the magnitude of their stupidity. You, on the other hand continue to trample on your Johnson, while dowsing yourself in gasoline, and striking a road flare. Bravo sir, bravo.

Kanye sends his regards, but the crown is yours now, and yours alone. Congrats.

10-15-2013 | 06:36 AM

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An Aviation Week article written soon after the crash mentioned that the pilots had checked out keys to crew rest rooms while sitting out the sort in SDF. Any UPS guys care to comment on the quality of these crew rest rooms?

10-15-2013 | 07:28 AM

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I guess you didn't see he was a she!

10-15-2013 | 07:34 AM

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John Carr

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Goodbye cargo cut-out, hopefully. Once again proving that all regulations must be written in blood.

We can only hope.

Going by the previous accident, it will only take a few years of study and hearings and roughly FOUR years before the cargo side sees it.

10-15-2013 | 12:15 PM

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We can only hope.

Going by the previous accident, it will only take a few years of study and hearings and roughly FOUR years before the cargo side sees it.

Doubtful.

After UPS 6, which followed on UPS 1307, we have seen just about ZERO progress on battery transport, or flammable cargo transport that can cause a hull-loss, and possibly a crew loss too.

Since then, Boeing 787's have been in the news too. Same issue - batteries get hot, airplanes break apart.

I don't want to speculate what it will take to extend safety rules on hazardous cargo and fatigue in the passenger industry to cargo, but it is going to take something dramatic, more dramatic than what we've seen so far. And it likely will have to happen in the US, to US citizens.

If not for the families of Colgan 3407 and a coincidentally sympathetic congressional delegation in office at the time, I doubt we've even be discussing the potential of changing the fatigue rules at all.

10-15-2013 | 12:40 PM

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This will come down as crew error and one of the most referred to aviation accidents in a long time. Period.

10-15-2013 | 12:53 PM

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The Cpt had attempted upgrade on the 7576 and failed. The fleet manager at the time recommended he not try again.

If this is true, then unions need to stop protecting the weak. The general flying public and innocent people on the ground deserve better. One or two failures is ok because anyone can have a bad day. But if there is a history of repeated failures, especially to the point a fleet manager even says don't try again, then that pilot needs to be let go.

It's still too early to judge though because I'm assuming what you wrote is true. The final NTSB report will detail exactly what training issues/failures the CA and/or the FO had. Until then it is a waiting game.

10-15-2013 | 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy

The final NTSB report will detail exactly what training issues/failures the CA and/or the FO had.

This may not be true even if the NTSB could look at what was in the personal exception reports the day prior to the accident. The NTSB may not even know that there were any training issues and may not even want to know. I am sure the training records will be handed over to them on a pile of cash.

The NTSB report is not going to go into detail about the politics of UPS if it means the chief inspector will not get his condo in the Caribbean.

We need the Dubai accident investigators from the UAE on this one. That was one hell of a report. The NTSB will produce nothing of the sort. It will smell of collusion.

This whole thing stinks and did not have to happen.....

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10-15-2013 | 06:39 PM

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Before passing judgement on this crew, I suggest everyone read a previous NASA report on the approach they were flying into BHM that night. Talk about being set up to fail. You might pay particular attention to the captain's recommendations at the end.
F10 crew concerned about proximity to terrain on approach to runway 18 at bhm. - NASA ASRS