WSJ article on UPS BHM crash
10-15-2013 | 09:27 PM
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This may not be true even if the NTSB could look at what was in the personal exception reports the day prior to the accident. The NTSB may not even know that there were any training issues and may not even want to know. I am sure the training records will be handed over to them on a pile of cash.
The NTSB report is not going to go into detail about the politics of UPS if it means the chief inspector will not get his condo in the Caribbean.
We need the Dubai accident investigators from the UAE on this one. That was one hell of a report. The NTSB will produce nothing of the sort. It will smell of collusion.
This whole thing stinks and did not have to happen.....
The NTSB report is not going to go into detail about the politics of UPS if it means the chief inspector will not get his condo in the Caribbean.
We need the Dubai accident investigators from the UAE on this one. That was one hell of a report. The NTSB will produce nothing of the sort. It will smell of collusion.
This whole thing stinks and did not have to happen.....
If there was weakness on a pilot's part then that will be disclosed. Colgan 3407 is the latest example. As for the last major airline crash (AA 587), the NTSB examined in greath depth the Advanced Airline Maneuvering Program (AAMP) that AA had. The NTSB was very scathing of the training guys who basically put F4 maneuvers for training into commercial jetliners without checking with the manufacturers.
10-15-2013 | 09:35 PM
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Before passing judgement on this crew, I suggest everyone read a previous NASA report on the approach they were flying into BHM that night. Talk about being set up to fail. You might pay particular attention to the captain's recommendations at the end.
F10 crew concerned about proximity to terrain on approach to runway 18 at bhm. - NASA ASRS
F10 crew concerned about proximity to terrain on approach to runway 18 at bhm. - NASA ASRS
Based on that chart, their descent rate would have had to been 2,000+ fpm while below a radio altitude 2,450 feet to trigger the Sink Rate aural. All the while with the autopilot engaged, unfortunately this is not going to look good for the crew.
10-15-2013 | 10:27 PM
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For us outsiders, what do you mean go into the detail of the politics of UPS?
If there was weakness on a pilot's part then that will be disclosed. Colgan 3407 is the latest example. As for the last major airline crash (AA 587), the NTSB examined in greath depth the Advanced Airline Maneuvering Program (AAMP) that AA had. The NTSB was very scathing of the training guys who basically put F4 maneuvers for training into commercial jetliners without checking with the manufacturers.
If there was weakness on a pilot's part then that will be disclosed. Colgan 3407 is the latest example. As for the last major airline crash (AA 587), the NTSB examined in greath depth the Advanced Airline Maneuvering Program (AAMP) that AA had. The NTSB was very scathing of the training guys who basically put F4 maneuvers for training into commercial jetliners without checking with the manufacturers.
I am done here...........will wait for the report....
And by the way you can get sink rate calls and pull up calls on a stable approach.......happens all the time in corporate jets in and out of Aspen, sun valley ETC ETC ETC
10-16-2013 | 03:40 AM
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Seriously?
Golfandfly and the rest
Ive been airline flying since 92'. Have seen this same story over & over again. Dont pull the wool over your own eyes and dont let your heads get thicker than they are already. To guys like yourselves its complicated & confusing. To experienced guys like myself,, again,,its the same story and really pretty simple.
Ive been airline flying since 92'. Have seen this same story over & over again. Dont pull the wool over your own eyes and dont let your heads get thicker than they are already. To guys like yourselves its complicated & confusing. To experienced guys like myself,, again,,its the same story and really pretty simple.
"To experienced guys like myself"' - priceless.
10-16-2013 | 03:40 AM
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10-16-2013 | 09:12 AM
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10-16-2013 | 09:55 AM
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Read more: NTSB: Crashed UPS Cargo Jet Was Flying On Autopilot Seconds Before Impact - Business Insider
10-16-2013 | 12:14 PM
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"The autopilot was engaged until the last second of recorded data," said Robert Sumwalt, a senior official with the National Transportation Safety Board.
Read more: NTSB: Crashed UPS Cargo Jet Was Flying On Autopilot Seconds Before Impact - Business Insider
Read more: NTSB: Crashed UPS Cargo Jet Was Flying On Autopilot Seconds Before Impact - Business Insider
Read the article and see if there is some confusion between, seconds before impact, last seconds, 7 seconds, auto pilot, and auto throttles. Not sure the NTSB and the author are both speaking the same language. Show me something from the NTSB that says, in writing, that both pilots were sitting on their hands. Until then I will wait for the report.
10-16-2013 | 12:19 PM
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Read the article and see if there is some confusion between, seconds before impact, last seconds, 7 seconds, auto pilot, and auto throttles. Not sure the NTSB and the author are both speaking the same language. Show me something from the NTSB that says, in writing, that both pilots were sitting on their hands. Until then I will wait for the report.
(cue ShyGuy flipping out)
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