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Old 11-09-2013, 09:57 AM
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Related question for the pros: with vacation starting on 30JAN, if awarded a DEC line with C/O into JAN, will the C/O trip be removed during the conflict/input window? Or will it be removed at a later date? (My vacation doesn't even show on the VIPS calendar at this time). I am wondering because if the C/O trip stays on my schedule during conflict/input, I can use protect min days off to knock out more DEC trips.

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Related question for the pros: with vacation starting on 30JAN, if awarded a DEC line with C/O into JAN, will the C/O trip be removed during the conflict/input window? Or will it be removed at a later date? (My vacation doesn't even show on the VIPS calendar at this time). I am wondering because if the C/O trip stays on my schedule during conflict/input, I can use protect min days off to knock out more DEC trips.

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Essentially knocking out Carryover with vacation is among the first actions in the bid period processing window. If you slide your 30 Dec (I assume that is what you meant) vacation to the right you could keep the C/O. Days on vacation count as work days for min day off; so it shouldn't make a difference. At least I think.
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Thanks FDXLAG. Yes, I meant 30DEC.

So, if the DEC into JAN c/o trip is knocked out immediately, will the footprint of the trip still be "conflicatble" for min-days off? Or, do those days under the ghost footprint automatically become actual days off?

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Thanks FDXLAG. Yes, I meant 30DEC.

So, if the DEC into JAN c/o trip is knocked out immediately, will the footprint of the trip still be "conflicatble" for min-days off? Or, do those days under the ghost footprint automatically become actual days off?

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I believe any day you get paid for gets counted as a work day for min days off protection. Call futures and ask them how they process it though. Week one is a tough vacation to work with because you can't slide it backwards, for January bidding any trip that touches the C/O foot print gets dropped for CIC. If it touches the vacation footprint it gets dropped for vacation. I don't think you can slide your vacation once it is used to drop the C/O trip but you should still be able to expand in January processing.

The big thing I keep in mind is the company will not pay you for the same day twice when it comes to vacation (absent a buy back).
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LAG, definitely good advice. I'll be calling CRS Futures tomorrow.

Another hypothetical question for those who may know, if you bid to protect min days off and you have one of two trips that could be removed to protect min days off, and trip A is 5 days long but early in DEC, while trip B is only 2 days long but touching 24 or 25 DEC, which trip would they remove?
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LAG, definitely good advice. I'll be calling CRS Futures tomorrow.

Another hypothetical question for those who may know, if you bid to protect min days off and you have one of two trips that could be removed to protect min days off, and trip A is 5 days long but early in DEC, while trip B is only 2 days long but touching 24 or 25 DEC, which trip would they remove?
Probably trip A and then sub you for the extra days. But ultimately, it is their call.... needs of crew scheduling.
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The total hours I was trying to wipe out was 43 ( 12 + 31 ). So less than the max of 48.
Talked to Contract enforcement and Crew Planning (and programmer) today. They said that you can only expand if your vacation hours are a positive number.

Assumes you meet all the other expand rules. As you expand, if the remaining hours in the bank goes below zero, it won't let you expand anymore. If you are expanding along to the left and have a string of 6 hr trips, and only have 17 hours left in the bank, the first trip expanded lowers it to 11, then the next to 5, then the next to -1; now you can't expand anymore.
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Talked to Contract enforcement and Crew Planning (and programmer) today. They said that you can only expand if your vacation hours are a positive number.

Assumes you meet all the other expand rules. As you expand, if the remaining hours in the bank goes below zero, it won't let you expand anymore. If you are expanding along to the left and have a string of 6 hr trips, and only have 17 hours left in the bank, the first trip expanded lowers it to 11, then the next to 5, then the next to -1; now you can't expand anymore.
Did they site a Contract reference?
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Did they site a Contract reference?
No. It's not specified. I told them it should be.

Rose in ALPA CE was good at explaining it.
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As FDXLAG and Pakagecheck had correctly stated, thanks guys (I confirmed with CRS futures):

- footprint days of C/O trip removed for vacation will count towards days worked to protect min days off.

- during C/I, a longer trip will be dropped to protect min days off, even if a shorter trip would satisfy, if shorter trip touches a holiday.
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