No suspects! Do they actually look at any flight numbers beginning 97xx?

 

How about this...... where does the "wolf-pack" bid to as the MD-11 draws down? EWR-767? Most charters are to/from somewhere in Europe.
Discuss

 

So, the captain and crew scheduler fired stories were false rumors then? (long way from Memphis here, plus no good thread activity lately ).

 

First, I'm not defending these guys or flight mana.ement. I'm only trying to point out what the contract says.

25.L.1.a .***A pilot shall have the ability to submit for a bid line adjustment through VIPS at any time during the bid period.* Submissions for bid line adjustments shall be processed within each type of adjustment (e.g., PMU,
make-up, open time trades, etc.) in the order in which they are received.

So time stamps only apply within a category. All PMU are processed together, all MUV togethet and all open time trades together etc.

So an open time trade with a time stamp of 0001Z cannot be compared to a PMU request with a time stamp of 0002Z.

The question now becomes, in what order are requests processed. Here is all I can find:

25.G.3.b Open time not assigned as provided in Section 25.G.1. (above) shall be assigned in the following order:

i.****SUB, RAT or PMU;

ii.***Make-up:

(a)*CMU

(b)*M/U

(c)*MUS* (includes both MUS and MUD)

(d)*MUV;

iii.**AFB;

iv.**RSV;

v.***VLT;

vi.**DRF.

Note no mention of open time. My guess is that CRS policy (since it is not spelled out in the contract) is open time is processed after MUV on the list. That way they cover the max amount of trips.

So if at the beginning of the month I drop my entire line and then hawk open time my MU request will always trump an open time swap every time. And I don't necessarily have to do trip specific with a time stamp. I can have a general makeup request in the system that will also trump the open time request

Not saying it is right, just the way it is.

Of coure real time trip trading solves all of this.

 

No Fair!! You can't play the Logic and 'I read the contract' cards this deep into an [obviously] emotional thread.

And 'real time' trip trades may not fix the problem if they put the same type of limitations in place (aka time delays).

 

No one is questioning the open time hawking. They are questioning the PMU recycling and frozen trips suddenly unfrozen. And instantaneous trip trades (it seems some of us have real time trip trading).

It is my understanding that open time processing is essentially make up, you have to have some make up bank to play in the open time window. General makeup is processed before volunteer to preclude the company from paying time and a half. And yes I know you can have 0 in your bank and bid for 6 hours or you can volunteer with 0 in the bank. But I would bet 98% of open time window is general make up.

 

You answered your own question. PMU (OTP) is processed ahead of m/u if it's in the cue at the same time for the same trip (CBA 25.G.3.b).

CBA 25.L.1.a simply establishes the time stamp process. I.e. 0001z PMU request trumps a 0002z PMU request. However PMU still trumps MU/etc at shown in 25.g.3.b

Gotta love how easy it is to read this CBA :-/

Like LAG said, it is not the priority of open time or open time hawking that anyone cares about. If you want to spend all your free time glued to VIPs then have fun. It's the PMU (OTP) recycling and mysterious frozen trips that need to be addressed

 

FDXLAG,

How are you able to see the paycode for these guy's trips?

It doesn't have to be PMU to trump a trip trade.

Scenario:
Trip drops into open time, double deadhead. Frozen
You are determined to get it and sit at your computer for hours refressing the screen. Finally it opens up and you submit your trade.

If I have a general makeup request in the system that I either just put in when the trip appeared or if I put it in days prior, I get the trip and you get earlier timestamp. No PMU involved!

I am not saying that there isn't some funny stuff going on, only pointing out a way to increase your chances.

Any kind of makeup has priority over trip trade.

And I still want to know how one may access another's pay code.

 

I'm not sure I understand this statement. All of these are open time, with M/U being the most common way that a pilot picks up a trip.

 

Meant to say triptrade with open time.