Typical Route for FDX pilots based in OAK
04-30-2014, 02:30 PM
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Seriously, you guys need to relax. If you don't want to answer his questions then don't.
All this OPSEC talk is, dare I say, ludicrous.
It took me longer to type this than to find your OAK flights.
All this OPSEC talk is, dare I say, ludicrous.
It took me longer to type this than to find your OAK flights.
04-30-2014, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Swedish Blender
...It took me longer to type this than to find your OAK flights.
Just out of curiosity, did you find our flight schedule or our crew's schedules?
Did you find our layover hotels too?
04-30-2014, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DLax85
Thx for your perspective Swede
Just out of curiosity, did you find our flight schedule or our crew's schedules?
Did you find our layover hotels too?
Just out of curiosity, did you find our flight schedule or our crew's schedules?
Did you find our layover hotels too?
I found your flight schedules. A typical example of a crew schedule will mean nothing. There are no names associated with it.
How about this...MEM-ICN 14+45, then go to the hotel.
Wait...are there helicopters outside my window?????
04-30-2014, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DLax85
James -
I'll go out on a limb and assume you've never been in the military or law enforcement.
Please Google "Opsec" and "Comsec", do a little basic reading.
Then understand what it means when you state "...you don't even know me" and combine that with the fact that many pilots in civilian aviation spent years as pilots & officers in the military first
I think you will quickly see why you're not getting the same love a customer gets at Disneyland
DLax
ps - if you started questioning a Disney employee about when their big supply trucks come and go, what back entrances they use, where their drivers report for work and where they're parked when they're off Disney properties, I think you may get a similar response.
I'll go out on a limb and assume you've never been in the military or law enforcement.
Please Google "Opsec" and "Comsec", do a little basic reading.
Then understand what it means when you state "...you don't even know me" and combine that with the fact that many pilots in civilian aviation spent years as pilots & officers in the military first
I think you will quickly see why you're not getting the same love a customer gets at Disneyland
DLax
ps - if you started questioning a Disney employee about when their big supply trucks come and go, what back entrances they use, where their drivers report for work and where they're parked when they're off Disney properties, I think you may get a similar response.
4 years USAF. Captain.
I understand why being cautious, esp post 9/11 is necessary. But similarly to what Swede said, I don't think the answers to my general questions were any piece to a larger puzzle. What I was asking would already be known by any half-witted terrorist....easily known.
The fact that the real-time flight status can been seen on Flightaware is no more than what I was asking. Perhaps that info should not be on Flightaware, as I'm sure many of you feel. And that may be a valid point. But at this time, it is public record. Even if Flightaware were to be banned, the public could still know when FDX planes take off and land. They aren't stealth planes.
A couple weeks ago I was unaware that there is a hub in Indy. I found out through this forum that there is, despite some backlash and those not wanting to tell me even that. That's a little extreme IMO. I doubt the hub in IND is covert ops. They do still fly heavies in during the day for everyone to see, I assume.
Anyway after reading some of these posts I understand that most of you don't want to take ANY chances. It's like a negative freeroll. I understand this concept. However I feel some questions are black and white while others are gray. Asking for specific names and residences of pilots...an obvious "hell no." Asking if FDX has a hub in Memphis....an obvious "no danger at all to answer that." Both of those questions were b&w. And to all the gray questions, exercising caution by not answering makes sense.
However, I still view my questions as benign as asking whether or not FDX has a hub in Memphis. Swedish Blender brought this point home very well.
How about this...MEM-ICN 14+45, then go to the hotel.
I do understand that you are all on the same team and there's a sort of band of brothers thing about it, and that rest of us (myself included ) are on the outside. Why give any info to us? Life brings us a myriad of judgement calls we'll have to make. You could just have a blanket "won't answer any questions" frame of mind. But I trust that the vast majority, if not all of you exercise stellar use of judgement, given the nature of your job. And I thus feel that if you really look at what I'm asking, benign, public info types of questions, perhaps just answering it wouldn't bring down the world. I realize that statement is up for debate and some will never agree with it. But when I was in the USAF, our really private matters weren't available on outlets such as Flightaware, much less available for any civilian to see for his or herself, standing outside any airport FDX flies into.
Anyway, I have a much better idea now of what this forum is about and why people come on it. I can assure you I won't be bothering you with questions about FDX ops any more.
04-30-2014, 05:13 PM
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Hopefully that's a promise that you keep.
04-30-2014, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesAA
4 years USAF. Captain.
(I'm sure the ex-Marines, Sailors and Soldiers are smiling though)
I'll venture not a Navigator or Intel Officer
They would understand the concept of triangulation --- and thus the risks of providing even linear information to someone who just pops up and starts asking questions.
04-30-2014, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesAA
4 years USAF. Captain.
I understand why being cautious, esp post 9/11 is necessary. But similarly to what Swede said, I don't think the answers to my general questions were any piece to a larger puzzle. What I was asking would already be known by any half-witted terrorist....easily known.
The fact that the real-time flight status can been seen on Flightaware is no more than what I was asking. Perhaps that info should not be on Flightaware, as I'm sure many of you feel. And that may be a valid point. But at this time, it is public record. Even if Flightaware were to be banned, the public could still know when FDX planes take off and land. They aren't stealth planes.
A couple weeks ago I was unaware that there is a hub in Indy. I found out through this forum that there is, despite some backlash and those not wanting to tell me even that. That's a little extreme IMO. I doubt the hub in IND is covert ops. They do still fly heavies in during the day for everyone to see, I assume.
Anyway after reading some of these posts I understand that most of you don't want to take ANY chances. It's like a negative freeroll. I understand this concept. However I feel some questions are black and white while others are gray. Asking for specific names and residences of pilots...an obvious "hell no." Asking if FDX has a hub in Memphis....an obvious "no danger at all to answer that." Both of those questions were b&w. And to all the gray questions, exercising caution by not answering makes sense.
However, I still view my questions as benign as asking whether or not FDX has a hub in Memphis. Swedish Blender brought this point home very well. That's all I was asking. Very GENERAL questions. Many of the posters made it sound like I wanted names of pilots, exact hotels, etc. THAT would warrant well deserved backlash, but that wasn't what I was asking.
I do understand that you are all on the same team and there's a sort of band of brothers thing about it, and that rest of us (myself included ) are on the outside. Why give any info to us? Life brings us a myriad of judgement calls we'll have to make. You could just have a blanket "won't answer any questions" frame of mind. But I trust that the vast majority, if not all of you exercise stellar use of judgement, given the nature of your job. And I thus feel that if you really look at what I'm asking, benign, public info types of questions, perhaps just answering it wouldn't bring down the world. I realize that statement is up for debate and some will never agree with it. But when I was in the USAF, our really private matters weren't available on outlets such as Flightaware, much less available for any civilian to see for his or herself, standing outside any airport FDX flies into.
Anyway, I have a much better idea now of what this forum is about and why people come on it. I can assure you I won't be bothering you with questions about FDX ops any more.
I understand why being cautious, esp post 9/11 is necessary. But similarly to what Swede said, I don't think the answers to my general questions were any piece to a larger puzzle. What I was asking would already be known by any half-witted terrorist....easily known.
The fact that the real-time flight status can been seen on Flightaware is no more than what I was asking. Perhaps that info should not be on Flightaware, as I'm sure many of you feel. And that may be a valid point. But at this time, it is public record. Even if Flightaware were to be banned, the public could still know when FDX planes take off and land. They aren't stealth planes.
A couple weeks ago I was unaware that there is a hub in Indy. I found out through this forum that there is, despite some backlash and those not wanting to tell me even that. That's a little extreme IMO. I doubt the hub in IND is covert ops. They do still fly heavies in during the day for everyone to see, I assume.
Anyway after reading some of these posts I understand that most of you don't want to take ANY chances. It's like a negative freeroll. I understand this concept. However I feel some questions are black and white while others are gray. Asking for specific names and residences of pilots...an obvious "hell no." Asking if FDX has a hub in Memphis....an obvious "no danger at all to answer that." Both of those questions were b&w. And to all the gray questions, exercising caution by not answering makes sense.
However, I still view my questions as benign as asking whether or not FDX has a hub in Memphis. Swedish Blender brought this point home very well. That's all I was asking. Very GENERAL questions. Many of the posters made it sound like I wanted names of pilots, exact hotels, etc. THAT would warrant well deserved backlash, but that wasn't what I was asking.
I do understand that you are all on the same team and there's a sort of band of brothers thing about it, and that rest of us (myself included ) are on the outside. Why give any info to us? Life brings us a myriad of judgement calls we'll have to make. You could just have a blanket "won't answer any questions" frame of mind. But I trust that the vast majority, if not all of you exercise stellar use of judgement, given the nature of your job. And I thus feel that if you really look at what I'm asking, benign, public info types of questions, perhaps just answering it wouldn't bring down the world. I realize that statement is up for debate and some will never agree with it. But when I was in the USAF, our really private matters weren't available on outlets such as Flightaware, much less available for any civilian to see for his or herself, standing outside any airport FDX flies into.
Anyway, I have a much better idea now of what this forum is about and why people come on it. I can assure you I won't be bothering you with questions about FDX ops any more.
I nominate James as "Worst ever terrorist trying to find a weakness in the system".
04-30-2014, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DLax85
Ouch! That hits close to home and is gonna sting for a while
(I'm sure the ex-Marines, Sailors and Soldiers are smiling though)
I'll venture not a Navigator or Intel Officer
They would understand the concept of triangulation --- and thus the risks of providing even linear information to someone who just pops up and starts asking questions.
(I'm sure the ex-Marines, Sailors and Soldiers are smiling though)
I'll venture not a Navigator or Intel Officer
They would understand the concept of triangulation --- and thus the risks of providing even linear information to someone who just pops up and starts asking questions.
Navigator B-52.
04-30-2014, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesAA
Lol, gotta good laugh out of this.
Navigator B-52.
Navigator B-52.
Or maybe you really were a B-52 Nav.
What seat did you sit in? Where was it located? What displays did you use most often? How many pins did you need to pull from your ejection seat during preflight? What displays gave you the most trouble? How was the lighting in the jet at night?
Inquiring minds want to know...because you'd know ALL those answers if you were a B-52 Nav.
04-30-2014, 06:43 PM
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