Gunter

Tony,

Thank you for the 85% measured response.

You clearly do not remember the ALPA interview. I do. UPS was the other airline with over 60 guys and their opinion was sought.

An MEC Chairman should resign if the MEC directs them to do things they don't agree with. Otherwise he will share in the blame.

You also leave me unconvinced that bidding 777 after telling us not to is proper. MEC members at the time were also unhappy with that act.


Where do we go from here? The legacy from the '06-'08 era is one of distrust and a demand for more open communication. The current MEC and MEC Chairman have had to live with that legacy. This is not a bad thing. I don't want to be surprised again by secret dealmaking. The type of dealmaking that lead to FDXLAG being told not to file a grievance on accepted fares. Dealmaking which doesn't usually work out. That's why we still do not have a 777 pay rate

Perm11FO

I can't see how the messages regarding previous leadership people need to be attacked here. They are not running the show now (except one former LEC guy...). What we have is already signed and contractual, we can't go back to "the old days." Simple as that. The page has turned, we need to start a new chapter now.

Sure, we can use the successes of the past and build upon them. Similarly, past failures or missteps are also tools for learning. Let's learn our lessons and then get ready for the test.

We need to start acting in unison, not attacking each other. The weakest adversary is one that has multiple plans of attack. Each individual plan is thought to be the best plan, but not coordinated with the other forces or plans to use the benefit of force concentration.

SS may not be the perfect MEC Chairman, but how many of us with better ideas would be or have been willing to step up? I don't remember more than 3 or 4 folks out of 4,000+ that indicated interest. No, I do not include myself in the 3 or 4, so I am one of the many.....

We all have to be willing to invest something to get the company to get off it's high horse. We all taxi at the speed of heat to get to the next hotel, purportedly to get an extra 10 minutes of sleep. But if we taxi at a safe speed, the plane arrives on time and the extra 10 minutes for deliveries is absorbed elsewhere.

We complain about the inability to drop R days because of company limitations. We can invest $20 and call in sick due to physiological stresses. Perhaps if you see the stress building, you call your doctor today and get an appointment for the day before the day your stress will become overwhelming for you. Or, if on the day at issue, you go to an urgent care clinic. Your choice.

Many of us (including me...) have military background that stressed a "do or die" attitude. Patriotism is one thing, profits are something else. The "absolutely, positively" concept of FedEx was born in a time when pilots and employees were respected (you can read: recognized and properly compensated) for their efforts.

Do you feel respected after 39 months of foot dragging negotiations with the company?

How about properly compensated?

SS and the MEC can legally take us only so far. After that, we all have to grow the backbones and gonads necessary to stand up to pilot pushing and unreasonable demands by the company, let alone notable degradation in the interpretation of acceptable fares, sick calls and such.

Are you willing to do a bit of effort to fly by the rules and leave the disputed pairings on the table or are you too self absorbed? Yes, someone will fly that disputed pairing, but let's see what happens when they are flown by Reserve folks.

wickedride

that was funny

TonyC

It only takes one, but there have been several. The better ones were rejected because of "Webb stink."


While this is technically true, I'm tired of hearing it as an excuse for doing nothing.

It is perfectly legal for him to tell us to put down the Buffalo Wild Wings and pick up picket signs.

No more bouncy houses -- focus on having your own FINANCIAL houses prepared for battle.

We can't get you to wear a standard black ALPA lanyard, so please wear a different-colored lanyard with a new slogan.


Leaders deliver followers.






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Full pull

The Sec Tres letter that just came out can't be any more plain, it's time. It's up to us to tell the company we want a contract, not the union not the negotiating committee, but us. Let's stop whining about where we've been and starting doing what we know we have to do. This is all part of the company script, they're the ones testing us. There is no incentive on the company's part until we do our part. It's not unpatriotic or anti company it's part of the process. The company expects it and they're not going to move forward until we do our part.

Perm11FO

Tony, I am disappointed that you did not read the the entire posting. I think you would be of a different mind-set had you spent a few minutes reading it.....

Baja

Pilots had better get thick skinned when they get management comm saying we're hurting the "Customer" with any actions designed to move negotiations to closure. I don't ever like to do anything that would harm our customers but, frankly, the fear of losing customers is the ONLY thing management responds to. If you think management will produce a realistic contract that meets our needs simply because it's the right thing to do then you haven't been paying attention during these and past negotiations.

MD11HOG

If you're satisfied with the pace of negotiations show it! If you're not happy show it! Trying to be a good F/O, I've always tried to read a Capt. to see if he wants me to call ground before we get to an intersection to keep the jet rolling. I'm going to rethink that because there is always a Capt. I may offend by showing that initiative and I can't ever remember reading that procedure.

moondoggie11

+1

I'm assuming this is the slogan on the new ALPA lanyards that's been alluded to: "Contract Now, It is Time." Pretty much says it all...ball is in our court. I might be inclined to revise to "Contract 3+ years ago, it is WAY overdue." And like a library book, there's gonna be a penalty involved.

Overnitefr8

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It is time!!!!