UPS to hire 40 pilots
08-20-2014, 01:57 PM
#801
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Originally Posted by FrontSeat
I find it interesting that the IPA does not push harder in DC with the department of labor to stop this. They work all day and fly all night.
My understanding is when the NURP scabs are in the office or training center they are on "duty", just like we are when we are in training, deadheading, or doing other company required activities. You are either on duty or on rest. But this type of duty only counts toward FAR flight time duty limits if preceding a flight assignment. If it is after a flight assignment the FAA doesn't care as long as proper rest is achieved before the next flight assignment.
So if the NURP scabs are doing this sort of duty immediately followed by flying, then yes the IPA and FAA need to be notified if the combined activity is over 16 consecutive hours. But what is most likely happening is the NURP scabs are doing the office "work" until say 5pm, then leave and get their 8 hours rest, then show up at the sort at 2am to go fly. Legal? Yes. Safe? No.
Anyway, IIRC UPS hired 5 NURP scabs a few months ago, two of which were ANC ground school instructors and haven't flown a big plane in who knows how many years. Now they hire 4 more. Considering the 40 IPA guys just hired, the new hire ratio of NURPS to line guys is about 1:4. That is just sickening. Obviously turning up the heat during negotiations.
08-20-2014, 02:24 PM
#802
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 188
Originally Posted by J Dawg
I'm not sure what the Dept of Labor would do when this is already governed by the FARs?
My understanding is when the NURP scabs are in the office or training center they are on "duty", just like we are when we are in training, deadheading, or doing other company required activities. You are either on duty or on rest. But this type of duty only counts toward FAR flight time duty limits if preceding a flight assignment. If it is after a flight assignment the FAA doesn't care as long as proper rest is achieved before the next flight assignment.
So if the NURP scabs are doing this sort of duty immediately followed by flying, then yes the IPA and FAA need to be notified if the combined activity is over 16 consecutive hours. But what is most likely happening is the NURP scabs are doing the office "work" until say 5pm, then leave and get their 8 hours rest, then show up at the sort at 2am to go fly. Legal? Yes. Safe? No.
Anyway, IIRC UPS hired 5 NURP scabs a few months ago, two of which were ANC ground school instructors and haven't flown a big plane in who knows how many years. Now they hire 4 more. Considering the 40 IPA guys just hired, the new hire ratio of NURPS to line guys is about 1:4. That is just sickening. Obviously turning up the heat during negotiations.
My understanding is when the NURP scabs are in the office or training center they are on "duty", just like we are when we are in training, deadheading, or doing other company required activities. You are either on duty or on rest. But this type of duty only counts toward FAR flight time duty limits if preceding a flight assignment. If it is after a flight assignment the FAA doesn't care as long as proper rest is achieved before the next flight assignment.
So if the NURP scabs are doing this sort of duty immediately followed by flying, then yes the IPA and FAA need to be notified if the combined activity is over 16 consecutive hours. But what is most likely happening is the NURP scabs are doing the office "work" until say 5pm, then leave and get their 8 hours rest, then show up at the sort at 2am to go fly. Legal? Yes. Safe? No.
Anyway, IIRC UPS hired 5 NURP scabs a few months ago, two of which were ANC ground school instructors and haven't flown a big plane in who knows how many years. Now they hire 4 more. Considering the 40 IPA guys just hired, the new hire ratio of NURPS to line guys is about 1:4. That is just sickening. Obviously turning up the heat during negotiations.
We only have ourselves to blame.
08-20-2014, 04:42 PM
#803
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Position: Fetal
Posts: 84
Originally Posted by F15andMD11
I suspect everyone got that email. But when I look at my application on file it's still says active.
08-20-2014, 04:59 PM
#804
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Joined APC: Apr 2005
Position: 757/767
Posts: 1,128
Originally Posted by UPSpilott
The one guy we had in office with the balls to do something about these scabs were driven out of office.
We only have ourselves to blame.
We only have ourselves to blame.
08-20-2014, 05:29 PM
#805
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: fins to the left, fins to the right
Posts: 1,731
Originally Posted by nightrider
In 13.5 yrs here I have gained 659 seniority numbers and we haves lightened the list by another 300, we are doubling the scheduled retirements now and I don't see that changing, no growth but attrition is picking up, first available for someone hired today assuming no more shrinkage will be about 10 yrs.
There won't be 1000 total retirements until 2026 and who knows how many will quit bypassing by then.
08-20-2014, 06:42 PM
#807
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Position: 787 FO
Posts: 792
Originally Posted by UPDRAFT
F15, how did you log in? I thought it was only under the First Officer job listing. I couldn't find anywhere else to log in to view my profile.
08-20-2014, 07:18 PM
#808
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: Multi Engine
Posts: 46
Originally Posted by UPDRAFT
F15, how did you log in? I thought it was only under the First Officer job listing. I couldn't find anywhere else to log in to view my profile.
You can take it from there...
Mine, too, still says active. However, I'm highly leery now of any realistic desire to join that outfit...
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