My favorite was, "Well you have one day off, between three week trips overseas in Desert Storm, so instead of seeing your family, I want you to come in to the squadron and work "self help" on my basketball court". So much fun!

Tony C
Wrong on most points. I am very pro union and was a grievance committee chairman and walked a picket line, even my wife joined me with a sign. I have no involvement in your company's ASAP program. That is all I will say. All I was trying to point out was there is a program out there, it is part of IOSa of which your company is involved with, CFR Part 5 is coming and SMS is a part of it. I do not have any animus toward you or your compatriots, but I do take objection to your personal attacks on me.
Now I want ask one question. Have you or anyone in your union heard of the FRMS program? I had never heard of it until a few days ago when reading the ISM. Going back to one of some of the earlier posts lead me to ask this question.

Your first post you use "we" referring to FedEx, later you quote the FOM, now you try to act like you are not part of the company and just pointing out programs that are available! Then you object to "personal attacks".

I have an idea - answer the questions that have been asked of you, admit you are working for FedEx and mostly tell your boss that this program would be better served if it had the pilots and the unions involvement instead of being shoved down our throats.

Yeah, I'm bumping my own post from a few weeks back

Never got direct answers. (???)

I think the answers are relevant and will add clarity to the discussion

We all have different backgrounds, experiences, perspectives and bias

Very important to understand if we are going to present interpretations & opinions as facts

Albie,
A few nooks and crannies in the AF were relatively free from such annoyances, Systems Command for example. We speculated that the commanders left us alone because they had bigger fish to fry. :)

Why would that matter? Information obtained through confidential safety reports should be just that ... CONFIDENTIAL!

Or ... maybe I won't submit your "data collection" reports in the future?

I also suspect they've used FOQA data for disciplinary purposes!*?

Before we had ASAP and FOQA programs I attended an NTSB meeting where the NTSB wanted to know if THEY could use the data obtained from the recorders

Max
I will answer your questions one by one
First I am not a FedEx pilot nor have I ever been one
Second, I have nothing to do with The Flt Ops QA program and I have no idea how it is run other than what I read on this forum
Third I am not involved in Fed Ex management or work for them
I am however very well versed in the FARs, SMS, IOSA, and the CMOS
Happy now?

So, now you're it's "your company." In your first post, and many since, it was "we."
I could go on and on and on -- this is too, too easy -- but I'll save some "screen paper" and stop pasting the posts here. ;)

Which is it? You're US or you're them. Pick a side, and stick to it.
You quoted an internal FedEx document -- our SMS Manual -- and now you expect us to believe you have nothing to do with our company? How stupid do you think we are?

In this thread, you've referenced our FOM (http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ml#post1666808).

In another thread, you quoted from our Jumpseat Certification Guide (http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ml#post1693767) and referred to our Jumpseat Administration Guide (http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ml#post1691735)

Last year you talked about the reorganization going on in FedEx Flight Operations Management (http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ml#post1508415 and http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ml#post1508937).

In another thread last year and one a year before, you were "in the know" about conversions and acquisitions of FedEx airplanes (http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ml#post1475747 , http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ml#post1476196 and http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ml#post1319105).

In a thread about a rumored B-777 Vacancy Posting, you talked about how we navigate the ups and downs of the economy and brag about how safe you feel here at FedEx (http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ml#post1411094).

In this thread, http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ml#post1387558 , you tell us you've taken several VIPS on hub tours.

In Dec 2012, you were an expert on FDX Professional Instructor positions (http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ml#post1319105 and http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ml#post1310550).

In October 2011 you talked about your crash pad during Basic Indoctrination, and named the pilot who used to run BI (http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ml#post1071828).

It's hard to find a post that you've made that doesn't in some way disclose your relationship to FedEx. You used to fly long haul, you were an expat for 20 years, you spent some time at Mildenhall, you were in ALPA, you were in the International Brotherhood of Teamsters when Bourne took you (Atlas) away from ALPA, now you live on a lake in Olive Branch and you work for FedEx. Maybe it's a cubicle, maybe it's a professional simulator instructor job.

Your very first post on APC was defending The Company (and claiming inside knowledge) when they shared the contents of a Safety Report (pre-ASAP) with the FAA and threatened discipline of the pilot (http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...tml#post932384).


I think we all know which side you're on. It's a little late to start denying it.





Wouldn't know it by your posts in this thread, or others.



Well then, you have some explaining to do.
If you have nothing to do with our ASAP program, what were you doing reading ASAP data?



No, that's not all you were trying to point out. You were trying to rationalize why FedEx is required to have this program they call QA, and trying to convince us we should just oblige and go along like stupid little sheep.


When you dive headlong into a controversy between pilots and their belligerent managers, you should expect to catch some flak. You know what they say about big dogs running and which ones should stay on the porch.


Un-bleepin'-believable. Are you serious, or are you trying to pull our legs? Really? Look at the top of the page for the words in the blue bar "Search this Thread". Click on it. Type FRMS in the box that pops down, and then click GO. 8 posts will pop up -- this post will be on top, the most recent. Scroll to the bottom. The first post that mentions FRMS is MY post, the very FIRST post I made in this thread (http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ml#post1666198).

Have you been paying attention? Have you been reading these posts, or is that too bleepin' difficult for you?

I said it again in my SECOND post (http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ml#post1667556).

I didn't mention it in my third post, but I did in my fourth where I struck you out (http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ml#post1668696).

Do the search on FRMP ("Program" instead of "System") and you'll see I've mentioned that several times, too, each time pointing out that we currently have that program in place, a program agreed to by ALPA, FedEx, and the FAA (http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ml#post1684167, http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ml#post1684663, and http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ml#post1696100).


And you've just now discovered FRMS?


Unbelievable.



I am done.






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Apparently not.






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Max
To answer your question
No I am not a FedEx pilot nor have ever been one
I flew for brand x and worked in the ALPA local grievance and I did spend several weeks walking the line
I do not work for or with management
I do not have anything to do with ASAP, or the QA program. I do not know how the QA program is run other than what I read on this forum but it is obvious the union is not happy with it and I have only been trying to pass along my knowledge and correct misconceptions since I do have a lot of experience with IOSA, the FAA, IOSA, and the CMOS. Obviously I failed
Happy now?