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Old 06-18-2014 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunter
You're right. Its just a line in the FOM that says they are mandatory
FOM states to provide access as scheduled to FAA, LCAs, and FCAs(for QA observations)

TAAs aren't any of the above.
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Old 06-18-2014 | 11:12 AM
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So what exactly is a Fleet Check Airman? Is that defined anywhere? What is the document describing the program?
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Old 06-18-2014 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuck
So what exactly is a Fleet Check Airman? Is that defined anywhere? What is the document describing the program?

FCA ... Fake Check Airman?


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Old 06-18-2014 | 08:32 PM
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Well, let's try this again, one point at a time.

Originally Posted by 3pointlanding

Whether an observer is allowed to jumpseat or not jumpseat can be settled by reading FOM 2.93 page 2-41.

Yepp. As I mentioned in Post #19 above, "Our FOM requires me to provide cockpit access to FAA Air Carrier Inspectors, Line Check Airmen conducting evaluations, and Fleet Check Airmen conducting QA observations." A First Officer TAA is not an FAA Air Carrier Inspectors, not a Line Check Airman and not a Fleet Check Airman.

He doesn't have to go -- that's settled.




Originally Posted by 3pointlanding

IOSA ... require[s] QA programs and data gathering.

Again, IOSA is an IATA program, and IATA is a Trade Association.

It has NO regulatory authority -- it cannot require boo.





Originally Posted by 3pointlanding

... the FAA require[s] QA programs and data gathering.

The FAA's SMS program includes ASAP, FOQA, LOSA, and FRMS. It does NOT include this QA program The Company is trying to cram down our throats.

Now, the FAA website is vast, and I have yet to explore it all. If you can find a reference that contradicts my assertion, one that shows us where the FAA is mandating this program, please share it with us.






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Old 06-19-2014 | 03:47 AM
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I wonder how many people totally bought the recurrent slide show on QA?

QA does not equal LOSA. It doesn't matter how many times BM says it does.

He uses the term QA to describe other airlines LOSA programs. Then he slides in with HIS QA idea as a program equal to other airlines LOSA programs. I really don't think the FAA agrees.

Lately I've been hearing the rhetoric change, again. I think they're finally admitting it's not equal. This was especially true when QA inspectors only checked charters and sweet trips. Of course, managers didn't go to evil manager school to do DPs and tough night trips.

LOSA is so easy to do. The attitude regarding it shows us all how they feel about safety.
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Old 06-19-2014 | 04:49 AM
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You hit the nail on the head. The company gets every one in a captive form during RCT...so they get to put their "spin" on the program.

Union was slow to address it, and was told it was coming...like many of our issues they are slow to address. HOWEVER, it is a big issue and glad to see it being addressed in the message lines...but it needs to be addressed more to ensure the company "gets the message", we don't like it, don't buy your story...and "have a seat in the back".
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Old 06-19-2014 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunter
...QA does not equal LOSA. It doesn't matter how many times BM says it does...
Big +1

....and to TonyC's well researched & well written posts on this topic
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Old 06-19-2014 | 11:18 AM
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The Safety Management System Manual will tell you all about it and yes QA is mentioned as a requirement to support SMS.
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Old 06-19-2014 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 3pointlanding

The Safety Management System Manual will tell you all about it and yes QA is mentioned as a requirement to support SMS.

Tssk, tssk.


Just to amuse you, I googled Safety Management System Manual, clicked on the first link, and searched for "QA". It said that QA and SMS are distinctly different programs.


Care to try again?

A link, please?


Ask a cubicle neighbor if you need help.






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Old 06-19-2014 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyC
Ask a cubicle neighbor if you need help..
priceless.
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