Stagnating wages
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To prove the slide in wages is a myth is tough jungle. This opinion piece doesn't really help to support that contention.
Globalization is real. It has moved slowly at times but is a steady slide over time. Our wages are coming down and the developing world is coming up, slightly. Not going to debate that or offer proof. I think you need to prove otherwise. Inflation indexes are horribly poor at telling you how much it costs to live today vs. yesterday.
Globalization is real. It has moved slowly at times but is a steady slide over time. Our wages are coming down and the developing world is coming up, slightly. Not going to debate that or offer proof. I think you need to prove otherwise. Inflation indexes are horribly poor at telling you how much it costs to live today vs. yesterday.
#12
That article, Jungle, talks about disposable income dedicated to necessities as going down. This supposedly equals more wealth. It conveniently gives a little detail but it doesn't offer enough.
What it doesn't mention is how disposable income now has to fund your own personal retirement account, the 401k. Have you read how the inventor of the 401k is disgusted by business' use of it?
Father of modern 401(k) says it fails many Americans | Marketplace.org
What it doesn't mention is how disposable income now has to fund your own personal retirement account, the 401k. Have you read how the inventor of the 401k is disgusted by business' use of it?
Father of modern 401(k) says it fails many Americans | Marketplace.org
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That article, Jungle, talks about disposable income dedicated to necessities as going down. This supposedly equals more wealth. It conveniently gives a little detail but it doesn't offer enough.
What it doesn't mention is how disposable income now has to fund your own personal retirement account, the 401k. Have you read how the inventor of the 401k is disgusted by business' use of it?
Father of modern 401(k) says it fails many Americans | Marketplace.org
What it doesn't mention is how disposable income now has to fund your own personal retirement account, the 401k. Have you read how the inventor of the 401k is disgusted by business' use of it?
Father of modern 401(k) says it fails many Americans | Marketplace.org
Are you going to trust the gov or a corporation to hold onto your life savings with the real expectation of a payout at some point far into the future?
Did we learn nothing in the last few decades?
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The Post offers the view that corporate greed is crushing the middle class and unions can save them.
In fact we now fund an ever growing dependent class of about 90 million people in the US largely funded by those corporations.
The Post worries about profits without connecting the dots, without free enterprise there is no middle class, no unions and no chance for economic improvement.
It looks like they stumbled over the truth and ignored it yet again.
There are many easy methods to improve the economy, but we never hear The Post or the unions mention them.
Ever wonder why?
In fact we now fund an ever growing dependent class of about 90 million people in the US largely funded by those corporations.
The Post worries about profits without connecting the dots, without free enterprise there is no middle class, no unions and no chance for economic improvement.
It looks like they stumbled over the truth and ignored it yet again.
There are many easy methods to improve the economy, but we never hear The Post or the unions mention them.
Ever wonder why?
The article contrasts that over the last few decades, the largess has been to shareholder value, and less if any to reward productivity of the actual producers, and alludes to the incentive of corporate management to do so. i.e. stock buybacks. How many corporations did $5B stock buybacks in the 50's, 60's, 70's, early 80's? I shouldn't have to tell you why a corporation executes a buyback, and how executive compensation via stock options rewards the manipulation of stock price.
The author notes the collective bargaining aspect, as there is no other counterbalance to the trend (legislation, regulation, ethics, benevolence..)
Regarding, "There are many easy methods to improve the economy, but we never hear The Post or the unions mention them".
I read the Post daily, there are many articles that do just that, I presume you're not a reader, unless someone posts a link.
Not sure what you mean by, "The Post worries about profits without connecting the dots, without free enterprise there is no middle class, no unions and no chance for economic improvement"
The post is just contrasting how resources are allocated between, R&D capital investment , shareholders and wages, now & then. just factual insight on the allocation of available resources. Of course there has to be profits to have allocation, the article is highlighting the delta when companies do have profits.
#16
That article, Jungle, talks about disposable income dedicated to necessities as going down. This supposedly equals more wealth. It conveniently gives a little detail but it doesn't offer enough.
What it doesn't mention is how disposable income now has to fund your own personal retirement account, the 401k. Have you read how the inventor of the 401k is disgusted by business' use of it?
Father of modern 401(k) says it fails many Americans | Marketplace.org
What it doesn't mention is how disposable income now has to fund your own personal retirement account, the 401k. Have you read how the inventor of the 401k is disgusted by business' use of it?
Father of modern 401(k) says it fails many Americans | Marketplace.org
When first introduced the high paid executive would save $7000 in taxes for a $10,000 contribution vs today the middle class worker will save $2500 for the same $10,000.
#17
Olly, the fundamental flaw in your thinking is that some magical agency of good is going to transform human behavior into economic equality. The Post, unions and gov have failed in that regard and they will continue to fail.
Free economic choice for the individual has proven to be the only correct choice, it may not provide equality, but at least it doesn't spread the misery equally.
Free economic choice for the individual has proven to be the only correct choice, it may not provide equality, but at least it doesn't spread the misery equally.
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Olly, the fundamental flaw in your thinking is that some magical agency of good is going to transform human behavior into economic equality. The Post, unions and gov have failed in that regard and they will continue to fail.
Free economic choice for the individual has proven to be the only correct choice, it may not provide equality, but at least it doesn't spread the misery equally.
Free economic choice for the individual has proven to be the only correct choice, it may not provide equality, but at least it doesn't spread the misery equally.
This is a change from previous decades. Someone made the decision to do so (change from the norm). It is now accepted corporate culture, when previously it had not been. Why?
The author states that with the decimation of private sector collective bargaining, there is no other counterbalance (magical agency) on amending the allocation of available resources (moving in the direction of the previous norm).
ALEC & their resource sponsors spend a lot of money lobbying for anti- collective bargaining laws. Why would they do that?
My economic choice to fly with a stable profitable carrier that has collective bargaining over one that does not is clear.
Ask the jet blue pilots why they switched. It was their economic choice, where they believed they could collectively garner better compensation with than without.
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I don't believe that a magical agency will transform human behavior. Observing history there have been trends. The Post, in this article highlighted the trend of passing the largess of profits to shareholders, while leaving out the worker.
This is a change from previous decades. Someone made the decision to do so (change from the norm). It is now accepted corporate culture, when previously it had not been. Why?
The author states that with the decimation of private sector collective bargaining, there is no other counterbalance (magical agency) on amending the allocation of available resources (moving in the direction of the previous norm).
ALEC & their resource sponsors spend a lot of money lobbying for anti- collective bargaining laws. Why would they do that?
My economic choice to fly with a stable profitable carrier that has collective bargaining over one that does not is clear.
Ask the jet blue pilots why they switched. It was their economic choice, where they believed they could collectively garner better compensation with than without.
This is a change from previous decades. Someone made the decision to do so (change from the norm). It is now accepted corporate culture, when previously it had not been. Why?
The author states that with the decimation of private sector collective bargaining, there is no other counterbalance (magical agency) on amending the allocation of available resources (moving in the direction of the previous norm).
ALEC & their resource sponsors spend a lot of money lobbying for anti- collective bargaining laws. Why would they do that?
My economic choice to fly with a stable profitable carrier that has collective bargaining over one that does not is clear.
Ask the jet blue pilots why they switched. It was their economic choice, where they believed they could collectively garner better compensation with than without.
ALPA serves many airlines, why do wages differ between them?
Why are wages higher at some non-Union airlines?
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