ULLI

Yes they were!!!

Bunch of eastern bottom feeders

flightbag

Hit home did I? Sorry, but you are what you are. And yes, it does smack me in the gut that they don't make as much as I do. Any group that accepts sub-standard pay and benefits devalues all of us.

wjcandee

Whether it is or not, there were animals in the hold. And there are humans who are now devastated because the animals are dead.

Nine thousand foot runway with a 1000-foot-plus overrun of it in a 737. Somebody's in trouble.

The NTSB report should be as fun reading as the WN Burbank overrun one. Except I will be thinking about those poor animals when I read it.

I really do think that AMC ought to be doing a white-glove inspection of the passenger-carrying charter airlines that it hires, with a particular view as to who is flying their aircraft -- i.e. pilot training and experience. That Atlas accident could just as easily have been a 767 filled with troops as an Amazon flight of boxes -- the Atlas 767 crews fly them all. And given what we now "know" happened in that Atlas cockpit, and what we think we know about the history of the PF, particularly about his reaction when startled and exposed to somatogravic heads-up illusion, it's a fair question whether the military is unnecessarily putting troops in harm's way by putting them in the back of aircraft flown by pilots of this background, experience and training.

This is a question that AMC should have asked when Atlas bent a perfectly-good 767 -- which WAS filled with troops -- in a landing on a clear, windless day at PSM. On a trip flown by somebody undergoing IOE.

I think AMC will find that some of their carriers excel in this area, and that others are lacking. How hard would it be to stand-down, say, National, Miami Air and Atlas, and leave Omni and ATI, plus the major-airline CRAF members, to cover until AMC can really understand who is flying its chartered planes?

HeavyDriver

All airlines including the Major carriers, because some of the biggest idiots I’ve ever flown with have fooled the HR and training departments of the big 5 too.

Camel Dancer

Now that Miami Air lost 20% of it’s fleet, will they have to furlough some guys?

WacoQCF

Incorrect. There are a mix of civilians, civilian contract workers, and active duty military families on GTMO with household pets.

Mobilized or deployed troops can not bring families or pets, but full time stationed troops and civilian workers have their whole families and pets on station.

It’s not just military working dogs (and there was a cat onboard too).

JohnBurke

I am what I am, captain obvious. Yes, indeed, I am.

What am is sickened by the likes of you.

What I am not is associated with Miami Air. Never have been.

This is, of course irrelevant, but your assumption doesn't speak well of you.

It's rather pathetic that you're so deeply offended by someone else's job. Perhaps you should mind your own damn business.

flightbag

Oh John. All that sweet talk won't get you anywhere with me.

flightbag

It's never a good sign when in the the news it says "NTSB on pilots: 'Don't know what they were thinking' "

JohnBurke

No need. It gets you on the ignore list, where you belong.

Vastly improved signal to noise ratio.