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Old 07-17-2015, 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat View Post
Quite true. In Dubinsky you have a former pilot and MEC Chairman who is also a professionally trained and experienced negotiator who is a walking encyclopedia of knowledge. And 1224's General Counsel Ed Gleason is outstanding. Just doesn't get any better.

Having them and the support team from the AD outside consultants; including the one who worked with the Atlas Merger Committee who does outstanding economic analysis...very solid team.

All that said, unless the pilot group is willing to uphold the CBA right now, up to the opener and during the negotiations...they will have a heck of a hard time when the company pulls out reams of documents and says, "yes, you say the pilots want X...but here's the proof that they will do it for Y."
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Old 07-17-2015, 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by flyergurl View Post
How about a survey of what the pilots would like to see in the new contract before they plop down a "proposed contract"?!

20% pay rate increase
6.0 CRT
72 hour monthly guarantee
Line guarantee
Full pay from day one
15% direct 401k contribution
Home Basing win NO imputed income

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Flat rate per diem of $90 daily
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Old 07-17-2015, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by FrancesTheMute View Post
20% pay rate increase
6.0 CRT
72 hour monthly guarantee
Line guarantee
Full pay from day one
15% direct 401k contribution
Home Basing win NO imputed income

PBS
Flat rate per diem of $90 daily
8 hour crt, it will force SL to build shorter lines, 20% hourly increase is low... as a maxed out 76 capt, I should be making no less than 245 an hour, 747 capt, 320 an hour. 80 hour gntee, pay protection, extended duty pay at 6 hours plus flight time or plus the 6 hour crt which ever is greater, one for one deadhead, b-fund with 16% match. Also, the contract should be for a max of three years. I can't believe we signed off on this piece of $hit for 5 years.
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Old 07-17-2015, 06:03 PM
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Delta + 1%....
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Old 07-18-2015, 03:59 PM
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"You forget you are ACMI..... Not going to happen. SAI and NAC will do your job for half that and be perfectly content."

Where would they get the pilots from?

Southern cannot get the pilots they need now, for their 737 venture.

I think the only way they could get enough pilots, is to improve their contract so that it is like the one described above...
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Originally Posted by Fegelein View Post
You forget you are ACMI..... Not going to happen. SAI and NAC will do your job for half that and be perfectly content.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.. cheers!
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Originally Posted by atpcliff View Post
"You forget you are ACMI..... Not going to happen. SAI and NAC will do your job for half that and be perfectly content."

Where would they get the pilots from?

Southern cannot get the pilots they need now, for their 737 venture.

I think the only way they could get enough pilots, is to improve their contract so that it is like the one described above...
+1 cliff......... right on the money

I'm not a cool-aid drinker; but, "I'm all in" with the 1224's attempt to block DHL's union busting strategies they've used for decades and secure a better future for Southern, ABX, Atlas and Kallita. Basic supply and demand is turning the tables and bringing this race to the bottom to a halt and is giving us a chance to substantially raise the bar. Southern Air is proving this theory at this very moment. Pilots are simply unwilling to provide their services to an airline and get treated like dirt when they can go elsewhere and work under a great contract.
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Originally Posted by DC8 Driver View Post
+1 cliff......... right on the money

I'm not a cool-aid drinker; but, "I'm all in" with the 1224's attempt to block DHL's union busting strategies they've used for decades and secure a better future for Southern, ABX, Atlas and Kallita. Basic supply and demand is turning the tables and bringing this race to the bottom to a halt and is giving us a chance to substantially raise the bar. Southern Air is proving this theory at this very moment. Pilots are simply unwilling to provide their services to an airline and get treated like dirt when they can go elsewhere and work under a great contract.
This is just not what's happening, Driver. SA is receiving a steady stream of resumes, interviewing and training. And if I was a young slick putting together a run a Delta, I would apply too. Who doesn't want 200 line adjustment hours a year?

Any strategy that hinges on patching together ABX, Atlas, "Kalitta," and Southern memberships into one, cohesive agency for change is...DOA.
The advantage will go to the 1st EXCO to sign a TA that passes.
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Originally Posted by METO Guido View Post
The advantage will go to the 1st EXCO to sign a TA that passes.
And as long as that TA that passes is actually raising the bar for the other EXCO's and not lowering it, the next EXCO will have upward momentum and some leverage when negotiating. It will be good for everyone.

I'm just tired of the shell games and the whipsawing. I was previously flying under the ATSG debacle and I'm now with Atlas, watching history repeat itself over and over and it's maddening.

Something's got to change. Wishful thinking? Maybe; but, the only thing that keeps me sane is having at least a glimmer of hope that we can stick it to those bastards and secure a contract that's worth sticking around for.

I've got too much invested, and I'm too lazy to catch up on 10 years of old outdated logbooks, put a suit on and answer stupid ass questions like "if you were a body of water, would you rather be a river, lake or an ocean". Yes, I got asked that once.. Anyways, you're probably right in the long run; but, I at least have to fight the good fight, if for nothing else, my own sanity.
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All I'm saying is, a good fight merits putting the u-remote down for. Take a page from the AlleGIANT effort and get on it. DHL is effectively exploiting loopholes in DOT/RLA protections that transparently put workers in a cage fight to stay alive. How wrong is that?

Tidewater btw, that's all we are.
"Here and now they're gone"...Blue Oyster Cult.
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