DownInPetaluma

Here lies a guy who has a bone to chew. Doesn't know much about the industry, perhaps has had some trouble flying a visual approach or three; is upset about his seniority number, or remains upset with the reality of the industry laid bare before him.

In any case, we wish him well in future endeavors!

c402fr8er

Apologies; I was not referring to the UAL LOA 11 that requires UAX airlines to re-hire furloughed UAL pilots. I was referring to the LOAs that CommutAir has in their CBA, allowing limited retention of seniority for returning pilots.

climb150

I am sorry I still don't know why I should care even after you have posted that. Is my job in jeopardy? No. Is anyone's job at C5 in jeopardy? I highly doubt it.

So please tell me why you keep posting this on a C5 forum.

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jacburn

The dude is an idiot. He has been told that he is wrong and to shut up about things several times but can't seem to read and not talk.

You know what they say, if the spirit moves you, you are welcome to come on over.

jacburn

Because people reading the forum want to know how many of our "20 a month" new hires will be back filled by those that had already left.

He is trying to correct all the misinformation that njd1 keeps spewing since he can't seem to read the contract very well. (if he has even read it)

njd1

Jack, first of all, name calling is the last refuge of the monosyllabic. I know you're smarter than that, so stop it already.

Second, I am not the guy posting dissertations on UA's contract with UAX that allegedly requires UAX carriers to hire furloughed pilots, nor did I comment on that topic. I only commented that were was a potential to rehire C5 employees for a specific interval. I said I did not have a copy of LOA 3 so naturally that was speculative. You have corrected me on that topic. 120 days. Got it.

In the future, kindly cite what you think is wrong or whatever "misinformation" you think I'm promoting and if necessary I'll correct or retract what I said. This is proper discourse, and while I don't necessarily expect that at APC, I do try to encourage it.

climb150

I have spoken to some ex C5ers at Frontier, Allegiant and Jetblue. They have no intention of returning furlough or not.
So few people went to United from C5 that even if they did come back it would be 4 or 5 a month.

Anyone who thinks that C5 will have a flood of returning peeps maybe wanna review that theory.

If United are serious about how fast they want C5 to ramp up, C5 will need to do 80 new hires a month to keep up. Even if 80 people came back which is highly unlikely, that will be one month of hiring. A drop in the ocean.

If the theory that United doesn't have preferred hiring at 50 seat UAX partners is true, then there is nothing to worry about.

Hedley

If you are referring to my rather lengthy post about the UAL contract relating to the hiring of furloughed pilots as a dissertation, I was just correcting some false information posted by another United pilot who was incorrectly insisting that you guys would have hire furloughed United pilots. Actually quoting the contract makes for a long post, but it clears up rumors and speculation. There is nothing that is “allegedly required“ by UAX carriers. Since you guys don’t fly anything greater than 50 seats, the LOA doesn’t apply to you and your company can hire who they want. Carriers who do fly aircraft bigger than 50 seats will have to either comply with the LOA, or stop flying 70/76 seat aircraft for United. Good luck to all. There are no guarantees. United could have picked CommutAir to survive because they didn’t see a need a larger company to handle a much smaller E145 fleet going forward, or you guys could expand. United could keep planes in storage, or entire fleets could be retired. This is far from over, no one is safe, and there will be more industry casualties before this is over.

point80

80 A MONTH.???
What are you high on? Bc I want some of that.
the entire fleet at C5 is like what 450 pilots and your talking about maxing out your training department. UA has never said anything about expanding C5. Thats just been your own management. Not saying its not true, but highly unlikely in the given market. Btw UA has released some layouts to make 175s 70-seaters to comply with scope Oct 1.

https://www.flightglobal.com/strateg...139665.article

tallpilot

Good. 70 seat 170s make 145 CASM look better. But April is the big worry, not Oct 1.

I don't understand all of this bickering. C5 might hire. If they do, in no plausible scenario will they be able to hire all of the unemployed 121 pilots that exist right now, let alone the order of magnitude increase that could come in the future.

A few unemployed pilots are going to be saved, many will find themselves without a seat for a while (and then be beat out for a crappy job by a 1500 hour CFI who is 'current'). That's a travesty but the sad reality of how this industry works.

Trying to guess how many C5 might be able to 'save' is ludicrous but you can bet on it being a small percentage.