Originally Posted by rickair7777

Little problem with 550's... there's no certain future of new production.

Currently planned 550's are retrofits of used airframes. Bombardier sold the CRJ to MHI. MHI is supposed to complete production on any outstanding orders but has no obligation or apparent intent to continue building new CRJs of any sort. MHI bought the CRJ not because they wanted to build it or have anything to do with it... they bought it to get the global support network and customer base which they hope will enable the success of the MRJ (or spicejet or whatever they call it now).

550's should be considered a temporary measure. UAL either hopes to wipe out scope in BK, or maybe hopes that 175s or spicejets can be converted to comply with 50 seat scope. No clear way ahead on any of that.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

Little problem with 550's... there's no certain future of new production.

Currently planned 550's are retrofits of used airframes. Bombardier sold the CRJ to MHI. MHI is supposed to complete production on any outstanding orders but has no obligation or apparent intent to continue building new CRJs of any sort. MHI bought the CRJ not because they wanted to build it or have anything to do with it... they bought it to get the global support network and customer base which they hope will enable the success of the MRJ (or spicejet or whatever they call it now).

550's should be considered a temporary measure. UAL either hopes to wipe out scope in BK, or maybe hopes that 175s or spicejets can be converted to comply with 50 seat scope. No clear way ahead on any of that.

Originally Posted by point80

Im glad that C5 got to stay employeed and kept by UA. Its one less group of pilots that will lose their jobs this year. But honestly this thread is dumb unless C5 changes its business model to either 550s or 175s.

SK has made himself pretty clear that in the long run he only wants luxury 50 seaters (550s). He has stuck to his guns while regional pilots have been delusional to the idea. The 145s and 200s will be obsolete over the next couple years. The reason you just cant get rid of them tomorrow is bc of scope, not contracts. There isnt enough 550s on the line to cover what would be needed based on scope limiting 76/70 seaters on a six month look back.

The assumption that C5 will inherit all of XJTs flying is pretty hilarious. They will get a cut, like everyone else. Most of XJTs flying was in ORD and IAH. Two bases that C5 is not even in. The UA flying in IAH that belonged to XJT is already starting to be divided up between YV and OO.

Your pilot group was staffed to do 10k flight hours. During this pandemic C5 has been doing closer to 2-3k Even with your cut of xjt flying you will not break 8k. And as more 550s are made available they will eat into the 145s flying.

So how about we pump the breaks on the idea of expanding 145s. Especially as we start to role into a recession that will take years to recover from.

Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets

that’s not the way I read it. it says 3 out of the 5 job offers must be on jets greater than 50seats. That to me means at SkyWest 2 can go to 50 seaters 3 must go to 76 seaters. At commutair there is nothing greater than 50 seats so it doesn’t apply, all 5 would go to a 50 seater.

Originally Posted by point80

There wouldnt need to be a reason to manufacture more to cover current flying. OO and YV have enough 700s and 900s to retrofit. YV has already committed 20 to be retrofitted as the 20 ejets come in over the next few months. I suggest listening to YV and OO earning calls coming up next week.

Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets

the LOA also requires furloughed united pilots to start at year 2 pay.

Originally Posted by Ducksaucelover

ooooooh.. so they go to 40 bucks an hour! That’s a real money making raise right there! At least they can be in solidarity with the FOs who are also taking a steep pay cut.

Originally Posted by Tom Bradys Cat

And to the bottom of the seniority list?

What about old c5 pilots? Bottom.of SL.or back.to.old spot?