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Old 01-22-2021, 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by acecrackshot View Post
Anyone whose ever been furloughed would heartily non-concur with the above/below logic.

Above can be a function of a thousand things like basing, equipment, etc. but when it’s nut cutting time, that number to be furloughed means everything.
Touche’. I humbly stand corrected.
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It’s not how many are below you. I laugh when guys/gals talk about how many are below them. The only thing that matters is how many are above you. If you are solidly on reserve only two things can help you. More flying or people above you leaving.
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Boom. Roasted.
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Boom. Roasted.
What?
filler
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Old 01-28-2021, 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by pangolin View Post
It’s not how many are below you. I laugh when guys/gals talk about how many are below them. The only thing that matters is how many are above you. If you are solidly on reserve only two things can help you. More flying or people above you leaving.
Guess a few words like "Growth" or "furlough" never entered your thoughts..... How many are below is a very important thing to know. Then again when upgrading, how may are below you means a great deal; in fact, many pilots hold off the upgrade until they have enough below them so they can avoid being on reserve, or even until they'd be senior enough to hold a specific base.... so as usual, your prolific postings aren't all that accurate.
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Old 01-28-2021, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
Guess a few words like "Growth" or "furlough" never entered your thoughts..... How many are below is a very important thing to know. Then again when upgrading, how may are below you means a great deal; in fact, many pilots hold off the upgrade until they have enough below them so they can avoid being on reserve, or even until they'd be senior enough to hold a specific base.... so as usual, your prolific postings aren't all that accurate.
What matters as far as holding a line vs reserve is only how many above you. The number below you only matters for furlough and I took my mea culpa on that. Growth? You move up when people leave, retire or die. Hiring more doesn’t move you up. Yes your percentage in base might decrease but it doesn’t change your seniority and it only matters if flying increases. Oh and you HIGHLIGHTED where I said MORE FLYING. That’s growth. So maybe that entered my mind.
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PERCENTAGE is all that matters.....period. That’s a function of BOTH below and above. Can y’all move on now?
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PERCENTAGE is all that matters.....period. That’s a function of BOTH below and above. Can y’all move on now?
There are 25 lines and you are number 30. It doesn’t matter if there is one below you or 100. What matters is getting into the top 25.


Tell that to reserve captains at mesa in dfw who are in the top 60 percent in base. It all works together. Yes it all matters but pilots above you matters more.
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Originally Posted by pangolin View Post
What matters as far as holding a line vs reserve is only how many above you. The number below you only matters for furlough and I took my mea culpa on that. Growth? You move up when people leave, retire or die. Hiring more doesn’t move you up. Yes your percentage in base might decrease but it doesn’t change your seniority and it only matters if flying increases. Oh and you HIGHLIGHTED where I said MORE FLYING. That’s growth. So maybe that entered my mind.
Not really because somebody above you can always bid reserve, and often when staffing is very fat they do. What matters is how many are below you, they can not outbid you. If there are 10 reserve lines and only 9 below you then you’re the most senior reserve guy. You can have 10 above or 100 above, or 1,000 above and it won’t change you being on reserve. The important things are the average number of reserve lines in your base, and how many are junior to you in that base.

once you are regularly a line holder, then how many above you becomes important. If there are only 45 guys senior to you, then you only need to bid 46 lines.
when it’s close to upgrade time, how many away from upgrade is somewhat important, but guys do still bypass for various reasons. Again, how many are junior becomes important in determining if you’ll be on reserve again. How many are above comes into play for things like flow also. For guys that hold off the upgrade for specific equipment or bases are much more interested in how many are junior to them. They wait until the guys junior to them are off reserve, then they upgrade and go straight to line holder.

now, once you’re a lifer at a regional, then the how many above becomes important again. If there are only 10 above you, you only need to bid 11 lines.
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Originally Posted by pangolin View Post
There are 25 lines and you are number 30. It doesn’t matter if there is one below you or 100. What matters is getting into the top 25.


Tell that to reserve captains at mesa in dfw who are in the top 60 percent in base. It all works together. Yes it all matters but pilots above you matters more.
dude......let it go. It’s SEMANTICS.

It’s USUALLY percentage that matters. Yes, some dirtbag operators run waaaaay too many reserves. That’s still RELATIVE percentage. Apparently at Mesa, it’s above 40%. Where I work, it’s more like 80%

Whatever.....you’re the smartest guy. Ever.
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