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04-28-2021, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by FAR121

What are the odds of UAL shuttering C5 for OO or MESA due to them operating 175s cheaply? At least give us a chance and dont feed us to the wolves. (OO MESA)

The 50 seat jets make up a pretty big chunk of the UAX fleet. United has been pretty consistent about not wanting to buy a new SNB, which would allow up to around 70 new 70/76 seat planes for UAX. When the company eventually decides to retire the 145’s and 200’s, under the current scope language UAX will be much smaller and consist of the current 70/76 seat aircraft and any 550’s that they decide to convert. I’m sure that if a company were to lowball Mesa they might get a contract, but when a significant percentage of the UAX fleet is eventually retired with no regional replacement, some people will be thrown to the wolves. Those at 50 seat only companies are obviously at the greatest risk.

04-28-2021, 01:10 PM

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I can't imagine BGR, PDX, SYR, ALB, ROC, BTV, PQI and BWI supporting anything bigger than 50 seats for more than 10% of the year. You can cut frequency and use bigger equipment but people will change carriers to one that leaves when is convenient to them.

Or you can operate those routes to Dulles instead of Newark. Most of that traffic is connecting anyway.

04-28-2021, 01:27 PM

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I have no idea what will come of this, but don’t you find it odd OO would lease out the 550 flying if they’re expecting to lose flying from UAX pulling the plug on old (200/145) 50 seat A/C’s? If the 550 is supposedly the future of the 50 seaters, why are they leasing away the whole “future” 50 seat market.

IMHO the 50 seat A/C is gone a few years down the road.

04-28-2021, 02:03 PM

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I have no idea how all of this will shake out, especially for the current list of regionals. All I feel confident about is that U-ALPA is dug in on scope, the clock on the single class 50 seaters is winding down, Delta has announced that all 50 seaters will be gone by 2023, and Kirby doesn’t like his available options. I’d agree with your assessment that they will mostly be gone in a few years. My WAG is that United still opposes adding a new SNB fleet and that UAX will consist of 550’s and the current limit on 70/76 seaters while UAL covers everything else with 319’s or larger.

04-28-2021, 02:28 PM

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What are the odds of UAL shuttering C5 for OO or MESA due to them operating 175s cheaply? At least give us a chance and dont feed us to the wolves. (OO MESA)

my opinion is they won’t do that. C5 is too cheap to give up.

04-28-2021, 03:18 PM

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my opinion is they won’t do that. C5 is too cheap to give up.

You think it’s cheap to just toss C5 a few 175’s? You’d be surprised by the amount of variable costs that surrounds adding another type to the certificate. Trans States Airlines was a dirt cheap airline that UA axed, so the whole “we’re super cheap” doesn’t mean a whole lot. They can keep Mesa around to keep everyone honest.

04-28-2021, 05:46 PM

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Trans States couldn't retain enough crew. That's why they got axed.

04-28-2021, 06:06 PM

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Trans States couldn't retain enough crew. That's why they got axed.

Yeah listen, there’s always an excuse. The other “excuse” I heard for their shutdown was the mil leave guys being fired and UA did not want to be associated with any of it, yet GoJet still stands. But hey, maybe you’re right, would suggest you not state it as fact though.

04-28-2021, 06:17 PM

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United didn't ax TSA. TSA axed TSA. Before COVID. But don't let facts get in the way of your argument.

04-28-2021, 08:00 PM

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United didn't ax TSA. TSA axed TSA. Before COVID. But don't let facts get in the way of your argument.

This statement below tells me they were involved in the decision that led to TSA being axed.

“United, while not naming Trans States Airlines specifically, told employees in a separate memo viewed by TPG Monday that a “series of fleet movements” at its United Express partners would occur in 2020.

“Fleet movements between regional carriers are not uncommon, and these changes will not impact any United mainline flying or staffing,” the Chicago-based carrier said. “These transitions will improve our efficiency and set up United, and our partners, for an even better operation moving forward.””