I'm not sure what you are saying is true. When do you anticipate going to class at C5? I'm not too senior to where you would have been at XJT and I bet a) you would have upgraded with the current awards and b) you probably would be going to class end of 2018 or early 2019 at UA (depending on what comes of the CRJ guys in relation to CPP).

 

I believe that's being finalized and wont be an issue for ERJ guys.

 

I am already at C5.

What is the most Jr CA on the XJT list? When are upgrade classes scheduled at XJT?

 

Most junior captain is September 2011. Upgrade classes have been taking place since November and will continue through May of next year.

 

8/07 hire and I hold ORD CA. I sit 150 in the CPP pool. I need UAL to hire at 600 to head over in 2018

 

You should get a more recent update with IAH CP. I’m 7 months senior to you and I’m 150 in the CPP....and that’s before the 2nd round guys jump in line.

 

C5 sent/is sending 6 this month to UAL. Probably similar percentage to the bigger carriers in the program.

Blue skies to all....from C5 and from XJet .

If C5 could hire enough FOs for the hoped for 2 aircraft/month, everyone on property that is eligible/wants to would probably be Captain on the ERJ by years end.
New top management in mx and trng seems to have had a positive effect on last winters issues.

 

Just to counter some misinformation and give some positive notes about the CPP at C5:

The pass rate for the CPP (Hogan and interview combined) is just over 50%. (Not 25%)

In Jan C5 will start filling 10% of the UAL new hire classes (not to exceed 10% of the C5 seniority list). When considering this, the current numbers and rate of flow do not provide an accurate depiction, only a minimum baseline. The numbers and rates moving forward will increase.

In the 0.8 per month calculation, I wonder if the months UAL didn't run new hire classes were included? (That is 6 months)

 

The numbers/stats ALWAYS get muddled.

So, of ALL the people that take the HPI, how many make it through? Of those, how many get past the interview?

That's usually where the "25%" comes from. As in, 25% of the entire attempt make it.

IOW, 100 take the HPI, 50 pass. Of those 50, 25 pass the interview, 25% overall success rate.

Just curious, is your data based on numbers shared between UAL and C5?

Summer 2016 for XJT was brutal. About 50% passed the HPI. Of those 50%, only 20-30% got through the interview.

Those numbers CAN BE VERIFIED. It's my understanding it's gone up now.

 

You're wrong, it's currently 25% pass rate. That has been pretty much standard across both CPP airlines (C5 and XJT).

Yes the 0.8 calculation includes any months that UAL did not hire. The OP asked for the average, so why would that time not be included? That is time you are getting bent over at C5 instead of making six figures at the mainline. You have to consider historical delays into the calculation to make a reasonable expectation of "flow" date.

CommutAir had to wait 7 months to send 6 people. Those types of delays have to be accounted for. BTW that's 0.85 pilots per month average if you only count those 7 months, which is consistent with the average over the last 2 years for those that thought I was exaggerating.

When United hires more consistently again, the average should slowly increase as long as the CPP is honored. But the CPP is not in any contract and they have already said they will not release people to United if they cannot staff the airplanes. Staffing is the key, but currently other airlines are paying more money to fly the same bases.