Just out of curiosity how is the aviate program working for y’all so far


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Same if not worse. Some quality pilots being turned down, just like other places. I personally have not done it but it’s a giant disappointment for a program with seeing some excellent peers get turned down. Only thing I’m looking forward to is this new contract. Hoping for the best.

 

Definitely not the same, and in fact worse. The addition of chair flying and technical interview for a current Part 121 pilot, particularly those that currently fly for a partner, is a waste of everyone's time -- interviewers included.

I've hired a lot of technical talent over the years in another industry and for all the objective criteria that can be evaluated I've found the subjective one-on-one interview to be the most indicative of successful candidates. I realize some people get nervous and don't interview well, but in the vast majority of cases I can tell whether someone will be good at their job and easy to work with just by having a good conversation.

FWIW, I've flown recently with three pilots that have been through the process. All great guys. One passed, two failed. Small sample size, of course, but disturbingly representative of the numbers I've been hearing.

 

This is what your paragraph should read...."interview well, but in the vast majority of cases I BELIEVE I can tell whether someone will be good at their job and easy to work with just by having a good conversation."

Not having a go at you....more the human condition. And here in lies the problem with these subjective assessments of others over a 4 hr period to see if they are suitable to work in said organization for the next 25 to 30 years. All very odd.

From what I'm seeing some people are too valuable to be poached (because that's what's happening) from their respective regional..... Lesson here is be a good guy but not a valuable one.

 

Hmmm, so if you’re a LCA, simulator instructor, CP, ACP or an APD you won’t make it?

I have seen all of the above make it through the whole process and they are now flying the line at UA.

 

Yeah it seems that roughly 30-35% pass over at Xjet so I’m just really confused about this whole program. Aviate and Propel threw some of us at Envoy through a loop since we thought these programs were designed to be a flow.

In any case, my wishes to y’all for getting a new contract you deserve.


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Wouldn't have a clue. But it makes sence for the mothership to not poach one of its regionals if it doesn't have to. Consider the ramifications if UA actually did take ALL of the best candidates......i.e ALL LCAs.....

 

You just train new ones. LCAs aren’t that hard to replace. Most of the people I see being denied are great guys BUT still have SOME slight issue that may or may not be a red flag.

 

Yeah sure you can train more.... But soon that'll get expensive especially when all your LCAs, simulator instructors, CPs, ACPs, or an APDs get poached.

I just used LCAs as an example. Yeah sure they are all replaceable...but at a cost.

 

I can tell you from first hand experience every type I listed above has made it to UA. Just disputing your theory