Gotcha. Thanks

 

Like DMS said! Go to PBS and then scroll down to the reports and find the one for IAD FO. Find the employee who is the most junior lineholder and then look their employee number up on the seniority list in mydaily. Only like 3 or 4 slots senior to the most junior lineholder is the most senior reserve and they are a 7/2021 hire. For whatever reason, only like 3 pilots hired between summer 21 and summer 22 stuck around IAD. Last month the junior lineholder was only a couple slots more senior, that's why the change seems so drastic

 

Well. That all changed quickly.

 

Anybody have any info on captain attrition/morale this last month since the new Aviate announcement?

 

Captain attrition and captain morale or just Captain Attrition and Morale in general?

Given how much pilots like to b%tch and complain, it's hard to ever get a sense of morale.

On CA attrition, I'm not sure, but the CA upgrade classes have been happening steadily. I've been seeing a string of 600-series captains recently. (600 referring to #s)

 

what was announced? Good news or bad?

 

Depends who you are. They changed the rule so that you can (allegedly) flow within 4 months of hitting 1600 PIC time, guaranteed. The old terms were 2000 UAX time (reducible to 1500 if you did 500 PIC) but the flow was "we'll call you when we call you". They are also forcing people who previously used the 2000-no-PIC route to upgrade and do 500 hours of PIC.

If you were a senior FO with 1900 hours at C5 trying to ride it out in IAD without upgrading and being banished to IAH, you'd probably be pretty ****ed. If you were a captain with close to 1600 hours you would probably be elated because "you now qualify to flow at some point" just turned into "you will flow in the next few months".

There's a huge middle ground there and I'm curious how the rest of the pilot group feels

 

That is incorrect. The new route is intendedfor people new(ish) to AVIATE. Only hours logged after March 1 of this year count toward the new 1600 PIC rule (APG 5.B.1). And no FO's with 1900 hours have a reason to be ****ed. They still qualify under the rules of the previous version of AVIATE (APG 5.C.). Unless are in the bottom quarter of the seniority list and you can max out your Part 117 flight time limits, the previous version of Aviate will still be faster. And if you use the previous program rules United will stand by its previous transition timeline.

 

Don't forget you can now go straight to UA from AMF/JSX, instead of people slogging it at C5.

 

A lot of original Aviate people aren't happy since the change will keep them here longer if they stay. Seeing how some people have been in the program for years it's extra frustrating for them to see the goalposts moved suddenly. A little correction to some stuff I've read above, but previously to flow it was 2000 hours and 2 years at the company or 1500 hours and 2 years if you upgraded. The 500 PIC thing is new and applies if your projected flow date is not before or within 4 months of March 2024. If your flow date is within that time, you can be a single hour off Captain OE and be eligible to flow as it was previously. The new 500 PIC rule pretty much adds another 6 months minimum at the company for a lot of people.

The bigger issue I would say is our "industry standard" pay and work rules. We've had FOs previously in Aviate leave to an LCC and interview after a year end up with class dates at UA. A year at F9, NK, or WN definitely sounds like a better, faster, and more secure experience than sticking it out here...