Our per diem rate is not higher, according to section 5. We are not paying $1.90 until DOS+60 months. DOS+48 months is still $1.80. The other airlines are currently paying $1.90 even to someone new on property.

Next deadhead pay does not go to 100%, according to section 8 it just went up to 85% on May 1 with no language for further increase from how I read it. You're right though that we don't spend much time in the back, but again the question is top tier pay (meaning the best) right now 100% is the best out there in the regionals. I know at UA, they pay 150% if you are booked in a middle seat, but that is a legacy.

Acknowledging that we don't pay top tier is a step in the right direction. I think whoever is making the banners that pop up on APC needs to do the same, or if they would like to keep touting top tier pay execute the $41 per hour option.

As far as the attitudes, there are some which are overly negative, but I am going to borrow from what you said "it WAS a good place." Part of why people are feeling how they are is that when they were hired things were good. Now there have been changes which people are trying to process. It is no Mesa, but selling Compass as top tier pay will only further the problem you are seeing now. I think the appropriate way to market Compass to new hires is:
West coast domiciles (LAX, SEA)! Single fleet type E175. Great crews.
It's not a matter of scaring people off, if they come and find it is not what they expected they will leave. My guess is the FO attrition labeled NA accounts for that. I know there is a Compass pilot in Endeavor training.

You are correct that there needs to be perspective. The 175 is a good aircraft, the pay is decent, we have a contract and there have been no furloughs. On the other hand I think this forum is to discuss relevant issues especially for people considering an airline out of CFIing or making a switch, not about who we will get flow to, like Hawaiian as funny as that may be (also lightening the mood). So it is important to state the facts. We are talking about pay. Hopefully this discussion helps people think about what to look for in our next contract.

 

You forgot Endeavor in the initial post. On top of real top tier pay they have a pretty solid culture too.

 

Incredibly Mesa is offering $61k incuding bonuses​ first year. Granted it's still Mesa.

 

I'm not finding anything on bonus information on new hires. Anyone have updated information for new recruits? Jr bases still LAX and SEA?


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you're night finding anything because there is nothing to find. No new hire bonus. No retention bonus. What you see is what you get.

Yes junior bases are still sea and lax... Because those are the ONLY bases. Lax is still junior to sea, though.

 

New hire bonuses aren't going to come to CPZ because of the grievance settlement the last time the company did new hire bonuses. That resulted in the higher first year FO pay and an agreement that the company wouldn't raise first year FO compensation to within 2% of 2nd year FO pay without raising the entire pay scale (which while the pilots might like, I doubt the company would do, but who knows in this environment). Retention bonuses could also be a possibility should CPZ be hurting enough to fill classes, since they're not forbidden based on the settlement ALPA and the company reached in November 2015.

 

Just curious, what will captain rates at year 2-5 look like after oct with fo pay increases

 

they'll look exactly the same as they do now, apparently.

 

Sadly......

 

He posted this thread back in May. I'm not defending him, but he's basically abandoned it since then. And the first post is now wrong, since we DID raise our pay.