Top Tier pay???
10-28-2017 | 07:55 AM
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Yes, but captain pay will go up at the regional level. My prediction is when a FO sees that they will make more holding a line bidding good trips (FO) vs sitting on reserve as CA, more pilots will bypass upgrade. When they get short on CAs then pay will go up.
Management isn't going to pay a cent more without necessitating to do so.
Management isn't going to pay a cent more without necessitating to do so.
I'm just generally unimpressed with the hard on all some companies tend to have for new hire fos. Guys, don't get me wrong... I'm stoked as a year one fo you are making as much as I am as a year three captain. What makes me mad is there is nothing going on to keep those of us on property here. The sooner they realize we need love too the better.
10-28-2017 | 01:43 PM
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that's kind of already happening at mq. Coupled with people not wanting to sit reserve in NYC people are bypassing.
I'm just generally unimpressed with the hard on all some companies tend to have for new hire fos. Guys, don't get me wrong... I'm stoked as a year one fo you are making as much as I am as a year three captain. What makes me mad is there is nothing going on to keep those of us on property here. The sooner they realize we need love too the better.
I'm just generally unimpressed with the hard on all some companies tend to have for new hire fos. Guys, don't get me wrong... I'm stoked as a year one fo you are making as much as I am as a year three captain. What makes me mad is there is nothing going on to keep those of us on property here. The sooner they realize we need love too the better.
Management didn't raise FO pay before the hiring boom, they reacted to it, so I think CA wages will rise, but only in reaction to guys choosing not to upgrade or leaving for greener pastures (LCC or mainline) before they get in the left seat. If they pay close to mainline FO rates for regional CA then they'll be able to keep the seats filled.
10-28-2017 | 03:07 PM
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I'm not sure it's a hard on for new pilots as much as the large supply of pilots willing to fly for 22 bucks an hour dried up with all the hiring. Raising first year pay or FO pay makes it palatable for a corporate guy etc to take a pay cut for some 121 time... so you can finally get those guys in the door.
Management didn't raise FO pay before the hiring boom, they reacted to it, so I think CA wages will rise, but only in reaction to guys choosing not to upgrade or leaving for greener pastures (LCC or mainline) before they get in the left seat. If they pay close to mainline FO rates for regional CA then they'll be able to keep the seats filled.
Management didn't raise FO pay before the hiring boom, they reacted to it, so I think CA wages will rise, but only in reaction to guys choosing not to upgrade or leaving for greener pastures (LCC or mainline) before they get in the left seat. If they pay close to mainline FO rates for regional CA then they'll be able to keep the seats filled.
And a bit more on topic about C4, I would NOT be cool flying with an fo making a buck or two less than me as a captain. There is a reason a captain makes more money than an fo, and it should stay that way.
10-29-2017 | 10:59 AM
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CommutAir guy here just to clarify some things. 1st yr FO pay remains at $37 since the company offers up to $22,100 sign on bonus. On your 1yr anniversary of IOE completion you go to 2nd yr Dash CA pay which is $11/hr less than what a jet CA makes who you’ll be sitting next to.(Our Dash’s are getting parked at the beginning of Jan and we will be only a 145 operator). You are only eligible for that CA pay as an FO while you wait for a CA vacancy where you are eligible to hold CA. If you bypass they will knock you back to our FO pay scale. Only thing CA’s got out of this LOA was a $5,000/yr retention bonus. It’s a step in the right direction to match what EDV will be paying but it’s got a lot of caveats.
10-29-2017 | 03:44 PM
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CommutAir guy here just to clarify some things. 1st yr FO pay remains at $37 since the company offers up to $22,100 sign on bonus. On your 1yr anniversary of IOE completion you go to 2nd yr Dash CA pay which is $11/hr less than what a jet CA makes who you’ll be sitting next to.(Our Dash’s are getting parked at the beginning of Jan and we will be only a 145 operator). You are only eligible for that CA pay as an FO while you wait for a CA vacancy where you are eligible to hold CA. If you bypass they will knock you back to our FO pay scale. Only thing CA’s got out of this LOA was a $5,000/yr retention bonus. It’s a step in the right direction to match what EDV will be paying but it’s got a lot of caveats.
10-29-2017 | 06:08 PM
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I agree completely.
10-30-2017 | 09:45 AM
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I just went though LOA 2016-02 which applies to f/o rates and there is no mention of tying the raises together. I do agree though, the Cappys need some cheddar too. Contrary to popular belief, not all of us are delta "material" LMAO! Something close to the new Endeavor rates would be a start.
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