Work2much

What are all here happenings you speak of? We are hiring 100 new hires and at a minimum 96 upgrades. Things are moving right along around here. All regionals see base closures (even the might SkyWest) and the DCI carriers know the delta shuffle all too well. Nothing out of the ordinary.

word302

The point was losing aircraft and a hiring freeze while everyone else is scrambling to hire every pilot they can get a hold of. Closing the base where your company is headquartered. If you don't see why that might make someone nervous, I won't waste my breath explaining it to you.

TillerTemptress

Base has nothing to do with HQ, dude. Our training center is still there. Skywest isn't immune to the Delta shuffle, either. I understand what you're saying, but it's opinion and I'm entitled to mine as well. Ever heard the phrase "buy low, sell high"? Compass just took a beating in the market but it's set to rally... this is where you make your $. As the previous poster said, about to hire/upgrade 100 for the rest of the year, at a 700 pilot airline. That's a lot of movement. You're trying to cast fake "doubt". We didn't hire because we needed to shrink and didn't need to hire. I mean, it's called math, it's not sinister. Our delta block didn't change with MSP closing, it's just moved out west. The planes make money for DL, they aren't going to just sit for hours, new routes get added, it's the regional shuffle HEYyyy.

word302

Again, if you think that shrinking in this environment is not a negative, I don't know what to tell you. I'm not trying to cast anything. If you think I'm the only person who understands math well...

You can't tell me that if OO were to close SLC that it wouldn't be a bad sign for the company. A couple years ago Compass was the flavor of the month. Now not so much. I chose a place that has never been and will likely never be the flavor of the month.

word302

I'm not worried. Are you?

veewan

Since people are talking numbers....

If Compass hires 100 pilots over the course of a year and upgrades 96, how does that compare to SkyWest?

I've heard it's about 100 new hires a month at SkyWest and upgrading 75/month. Anyone on the inside care to share better Intel?

IF the numbers I've presented are correct, SkyWest is hiring about 28% of their seniority list in a year meaning attrition must be higher. Compass based on those numbers is hiring 12.5%

Based on the 96 upgrades at a 800 pilot company Compass is upgrading 12% of their list.

If SkyWest is doing 75 upgrades per month then they are at about 21%.

word302

Those numbers are pretty inflated. The hiring might have been that high for a few months, but I don't think our best month has seen 75 upgrades. We're hiring 50 to 70 and upgrading 30 to 50 per month. The list has grown by over 1000 in the last 3 years. We are somehow still outpacing attrition although I don't know how much longer that can last.

TillerTemptress

If you think that being fired for missing your commute too often is not a negative, I don't know what to tell you.
If you think that 40 upgrades a month is "movement" at a 4500 pilot airline, I don't know what to tell you.
If you think it's fine that they can withhold your upgrade for right seat staffing in your category and award it somebody junior to you, I don't know what to tell you.
If you think Skywest Inc hasn't lost planes "in this environment" that's cause they take them away from Expressjet.

word302

1. You have to work really hard to get fired here. We're talking silly hard. I doubt anyone has been fired for "just" missing their commute to many times.
2. We upgrade about 1% of the list every month. That's pretty good (right about what you guys are doing).
3. Just really isn't happening. It has for short spurts. If it did, I would be pay protected. Fly my cushy senior FO schedule for captain pay? Sign me up.
4. We grow every month. We fly for 4 major carriers. If we lose planes for one carrier, we can usually find flying for them somewhere else. That's what happens when you OWN your airplanes.

veewan

Were you fired for missing your commute? I don't think I've ever heard of anyone getting fired for that.

40 upgrades​ a month is on par with what compass is planning to do on a percentage basis it's still about 11% but that's not stopped, where at Compass there has been a 6 month freeze.

If SkyWest does withhold your upgrade, to put someone junior in the left seat, they pay you Captain pay. And guess what you bid very high credit trips as an FO.
At Compass there are a couple guys who should have been awarded Captain who are in the right seat. Guess what they're getting paid FO pay and hoping the union will give them back pay. If they do get it likely it'll be for the difference between their trips they flew and CA reserve pay.