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Old 05-31-2017 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by veewan
Were you fired for missing your commute? I don't think I've ever heard of anyone getting fired for that.

40 upgrades​ a month is on par with what compass is planning to do on a percentage basis it's still about 11% but that's not stopped, where at Compass there has been a 6 month freeze.

If SkyWest does withhold your upgrade, to put someone junior in the left seat, they pay you Captain pay. And guess what you bid very high credit trips as an FO.
At Compass there are a couple guys who should have been awarded Captain who are in the right seat. Guess what they're getting paid FO pay and hoping the union will give them back pay. If they do get it likely it'll be for the difference between their trips they flew and CA reserve pay.
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Old 05-31-2017 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by word302
1. You have to work really hard to get fired here. We're talking silly hard. I doubt anyone has been fired for "just" missing their commute to many times.
2. We upgrade about 1% of the list every month. That's pretty good (right about what you guys are doing).
3. Just really isn't happening. It has for short spurts. If it did, I would be pay protected. Fly my cushy senior FO schedule for captain pay? Sign me up.
4. We grow every month. We fly for 4 major carriers. If we lose planes for one carrier, we can usually find flying for them somewhere else. That's what happens when you OWN your airplanes.
1. So you say, but that's up to the kindness of management, nothing in writing. New management could change that at any time, with no union to protect your job and the years you have invested.
2. That's great. If we really stay at 16 a mo that's closer to 2.3% but I have my doubts that every month will be 16, gonna depend on attrition.
3. It has happened, for short spurts, and it's wrong. Again, no union. You may view it as no big deal, but people shouldn't be withheld from an upgrade they can hold. That hasn't happened here.
4. No, THIS is what happens when you OWN your own airplanes:
SkyWest posts $162 million net loss in 2016 | Airline Financials content from ATWOnline

I'm done with this, tho, have fun at OO, not saying it's a bad choice... but your "intuitions" and "prognostications" about this airline are pretty ridiculous. This ship ain't sinking, and CPZ is still a good choice for west coast people. The classes will either be full or they won't, and if they aren't they'll address the issue.
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Old 05-31-2017 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by TillerTemptress
1. So you say, but that's up to the kindness of management, nothing in writing. New management could change that at any time, with no union to protect your job and the years you have invested.
2. That's great. If we really stay at 16 a mo that's closer to 2.3% but I have my doubts that every month will be 16, gonna depend on attrition.
3. It has happened, for short spurts, and it's wrong. Again, no union. You may view it as no big deal, but people shouldn't be withheld from an upgrade they can hold. That hasn't happened here.
4. No, THIS is what happens when you OWN your own airplanes:
SkyWest posts $162 million net loss in 2016 | Airline Financials content from ATWOnline

I'm done with this, tho, have fun at OO, not saying it's a bad choice... but your "intuitions" and "prognostications" about this airline are pretty ridiculous. This ship ain't sinking, and CPZ is still a good choice for west coast people. The classes will either be full or they won't, and if they aren't they'll address the issue.
Well you keep grasping. Love that you posted a link to Inc's earnings. You do realize that's a holding company? OO has been printing money for years. XJT not so much.
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Old 05-31-2017 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by TillerTemptress
1. So you say, but that's up to the kindness of management, nothing in writing. New management could change that at any time, with no union to protect your job and the years you have invested.
2. That's great. If we really stay at 16 a mo that's closer to 2.3% but I have my doubts that every month will be 16, gonna depend on attrition.
3. It has happened, for short spurts, and it's wrong. Again, no union. You may view it as no big deal, but people shouldn't be withheld from an upgrade they can hold. That hasn't happened here.
4. No, THIS is what happens when you OWN your own airplanes:
SkyWest posts $162 million net loss in 2016 | Airline Financials content from ATWOnline

I'm done with this, tho, have fun at OO, not saying it's a bad choice... but your "intuitions" and "prognostications" about this airline are pretty ridiculous. This ship ain't sinking, and CPZ is still a good choice for west coast people. The classes will either be full or they won't, and if they aren't they'll address the issue.
There are people who should have been awarded Captain who did not get it even though their seniority held it at Compass. Don't believe me ask around, heck ask ALPA. They're currently fighting the company on it.

Idk getting kept in the right seat at Captain pay on a senior FO schedule sounds pretty sweet. My guess is their non-union has that in writing.

SkyWest peeps, do you have an agreement in writing with your company regarding pay, scheduling, seniority etc?
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Old 05-31-2017 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by veewan
There are people who should have been awarded Captain who did not get it even though their seniority held it at Compass. Don't believe me ask around, heck ask ALPA. They're currently fighting the company on it.

Idk getting kept in the right seat at Captain pay on a senior FO schedule sounds pretty sweet. My guess is their non-union has that in writing.

SkyWest peeps, do you have an agreement in writing with your company regarding pay, scheduling, seniority etc?
I haven't heard that and they haven't sent anything out on it... when did that happen? also, there is a mechanism in place called a grievance to actually right it, but the company has zero incentive (since only one fleet type...) to hold people back, soo...
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Old 05-31-2017 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TillerTemptress
I haven't heard that and they haven't sent anything out on it... when did that happen? also, there is a mechanism in place called a grievance to actually right it, but the company has zero incentive (since only one fleet type...) to hold people back, soo...
Well I don't think the union was planning to send anything out. It happened just about the time the hiring freeze was about to hit. One or two guys at least that I've heard of, had the time and the seniority to hold Captain. They had a bid in and were bypassed due to how either the computer or someone processed it.

They put a grievance in and now they wait. From the right seat. The thing is they are too junior to hold CA now that everyone in the freeze has their time. Might be part of why it's not talked about too much. Even if they get these people into the left seat or retro pay, it'll upset folks senior to them depending on how it's handled.
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Old 05-31-2017 | 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TillerTemptress
I haven't heard that and they haven't sent anything out on it... when did that happen? also, there is a mechanism in place called a grievance to actually right it, but the company has zero incentive (since only one fleet type...) to hold people back, soo...






You keep forgetting the most important detail... You guys work for the same guy that started Gojets to hose TSA. Checkmate!
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Old 05-31-2017 | 11:18 PM
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Because the management of Skywest are just total angels.
Yeah, they're treating Expressjet pilots just great. which is why 40% of them have left for compass!
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Old 06-01-2017 | 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by veewan
Were you fired for missing your commute? I don't think I've ever heard of anyone getting fired for that.

40 upgrades​ a month is on par with what compass is planning to do on a percentage basis it's still about 11% but that's not stopped, where at Compass there has been a 6 month freeze.

If SkyWest does withhold your upgrade, to put someone junior in the left seat, they pay you Captain pay. And guess what you bid very high credit trips as an FO.
At Compass there are a couple guys who should have been awarded Captain who are in the right seat. Guess what they're getting paid FO pay and hoping the union will give them back pay. If they do get it likely it'll be for the difference between their trips they flew and CA reserve pay.
Breaking news: Whatever you hear isn't always true. SkyWest isn't hiring 100 per month nor are they upgrading 75 per month. Just because you haven't heard of something happening doesn't mean it has or does happen. Can't really come up with your alternative facts and treat them like fact unless you're...well, you know who.
Who do you work for? If you're a Compass pilot I suggest you apply to SkyWest. You obviously have a love affair with them.
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Old 06-01-2017 | 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by veewan
There are people who should have been awarded Captain who did not get it even though their seniority held it at Compass. Don't believe me ask around, heck ask ALPA. They're currently fighting the company on it.

Idk getting kept in the right seat at Captain pay on a senior FO schedule sounds pretty sweet. My guess is their non-union has that in writing.

SkyWest peeps, do you have an agreement in writing with your company regarding pay, scheduling, seniority etc?
Why were these people allegedly not awarded captain? Were they awarded but didn't pass training? Why ask ALPA when you could tell us right now if it's not a secret?
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