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thejetpilot 08-27-2018 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by Motoxer66 (Post 2663149)
only if you were pic under 135.243 i.e. listed on the dispatch as PIC

Nevermind lol

poutine 08-27-2018 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 2663098)
Wait are you saying that he is the same JC?

Yes, i looked up the old seniority list from last year, its him. Even kept his old employee number.

Serenity 08-27-2018 09:34 PM


Originally Posted by PanchoBarnes (Post 2662158)
There’s exceptions to every rule. Use your best judgement, which some people seem to lack.

But people still judge without knowing the full story. That's the point.

Fr8Thrust 08-27-2018 11:37 PM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 2663098)
Wait are you saying that he is the same JC?

Must have been on a LOA while at his new gig. According to the CBA, up to one year, that’s the only way to recall your seniority. Greater than one year LOA, or resignation, forfeits any seniority.

However the CPO has rescinded a resignation in the past, after someone failed out of NH training at their new job. In typical fashion ALPA did nothing about it.

Stan Dingbye 08-28-2018 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by Slowhawk (Post 2663072)
FWIW, I’m a 2016 hire been here approaching 2 years, I have 1000 SIC at compass but PH won’t let me upgrade until I hit 1500ME. So the real choke on upgrading pilots is the CBA minimums for some of us in the upper 1100’s on the seniority list

I find it hard to believe they’re going to be able to hang on to those minimums, but maybe that’s the hope talking

1500 ME required for upgrade? Is this really a thing?? If so, that totally blows.

Excargodog 08-28-2018 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by Stan Dingbye (Post 2663507)
1500 ME required for upgrade? Is this really a thing?? If so, that totally blows.

Seriously? You think that's unreasonable?

MainlineorSuici 08-28-2018 10:38 AM

It’s higher than the industry standard, for sure. There’s nothing wrong or entitled about wishing better for ourselves. The industry isn’t what it was 5 years ago. No idea why people in this pilot group would shame one another for wanting fast career progression

ninerdriver 08-28-2018 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by MainlineorSuici (Post 2663553)
It’s higher than the industry standard, for sure. There’s nothing wrong or entitled about wishing better for ourselves. The industry isn’t what it was 5 years ago. No idea why people in this pilot group would shame one another for wanting fast career progression

What do you get when you put a bunch of pilots in a basement?

A wine cellar!

Excargodog 08-28-2018 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by MainlineorSuici (Post 2663553)
It’s higher than the industry standard, for sure.

Seriously? You know that or are you just guessing? If you have any firm data on that it would be interesting to see it.


There’s nothing wrong or entitled about wishing better for ourselves. The industry isn’t what it was 5 years ago.
Nobody I know of is against you - or anyone else - trying to better themselves. And yes, excepting perhaps Skywest, the regional industry QOL and remuneration actually had improved considerably in that time.


No idea why people in this pilot group would shame one another for wanting fast career progression
I think the better question is to ask why the current requirements were put in the CBA and whether or not they were really warranted. Is there even a reason for the company's numbers?

Is there even a reason for the FAAs 1000 HR requirement?

At least for the company's numbers, I would assume they were decided based upon - at least in part - the cost of liability insurance to cover mishaps and we aren't just talking about potentially flying into the cumulogranite but even little things (relatively) like running a wingtip into another guy's wingtip or even just a baggage cart. Or sliding off the taxiway in the ice. Maybe that was the number the insurance risk management people decided was the minimum for a certain rate, and the company before the current crop of RATPs and low ME time guys said they'd take that deal because everyone they were upgrading (at the time) had those numbers anyway.

If it's no more than that it can certainly be changed if the company kicks in the money to do so, but why would they do that if they've got a CBA good for another 18 months before renegotiation? The answer is, they won't, not unless they simply can't staff the airline without it or the pilot group as a whole is willing to give up an offset in money or operating rules.

TruNorth 08-28-2018 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by Stan Dingbye (Post 2663507)
1500 ME required for upgrade? Is this really a thing?? If so, that totally blows.

2500 total and 1000 ME or 2000 total and 1500 ME per the CBA.


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