fjetter

There's the old cliche "There are those who have failed checkrides and those who will fail checkrides"

warhawk

Right, but if you make up stories about the real reason you left a company, rather then just be honest about it, that's in poor taste also.

sizzlechest

How can you be an airline instructor if you can't even be an airline pilot? Unlike other professions, aviation is not a "those who can do and those who can't teach" business. If this Schittle captain can't even pass a PC, why in the hell would you want him as his instructor? The FAA (in 8900) says that instructors should be of above average skill/knowledge..... not in the case of this guy..... plus he moonlights for a competing airline... talk about poor taste...

sizzlechest

Easy, the guy that is a Schittle Capt. and instructs for Compass in YUL......

maxjet

I really could not disagree more with you. There are plenty of instructors who have never even been captains or for that matter airline pilots. CAE in YUL employs several of them. Pushing the buttons from the back and watching the results does not take much in the way of line skills. The sim, like any other computer is a procedure trainer that happens to act mostly like the particular aircraft that it represents. CAE at YUL is the worst training facility I have ever experienced. There is absolutly no standardization between instructors. I have been through 5 type ratings in my career. CAE YUL is by far the worst training facility and program that I have ever seen. The thing that Compass has going for it is that we only hire folks with ATP minimums (well mostly). A 250 hour wonderkid who was trained on a CRJ and then came to this program fresh from the 141 program would fail miserably due to the lack of good standardized instruction. I for one will be very glad when the E175 sim is installed at NATCO. As far as the Shuttle instructor I didn't meet him or her when I was in training so I am not sticking up for them when I say, Quit your hatin and go onto some thing more important. BTW I hope you don't believe in bad Karma. Kind of like laughing at the bad landing your FO had and then you have 5 bad ones in a row.

obx41

Any words of wisdom for training in YUL, then? This will be my 6th 121 event and fourth type, so I'm not too worried, but I've not been through an AQP program. Thought it might be a bit more laid back, but you made it sound kinda rough. Anyway, just curious.

Thanks!

RoughLandings

The training is easy if you have done a 121 program before. The Compass AQP is like any other 121 program, but with 3 LOFTs and a Line Oriented Evaluation, which is your only jeopardy event.

I agree that the training is a joke at CAE. The worst part about it was that we were being taught by instructors who had no line time at Compass (it is basically prohibited to have line pilots instruct...), and would give us techniques that they had developed in the sim, then criticize us for not using them...

And I heard not once, but twice, the phrase "Don't argue with me, I'm the instructor." No kidding.

RoughLandings

Oh, yeah, and the sim will be at Pan Am in Eagan, not NATCO. If only we could be so lucky.

Thus, the standardization problems will continue, whether we like it or not. Unless we can start getting instructors who come from the line, things will never get better.

JungleBus

And that likely won't happen unless pilots bend metal and cost the company money and it's traced directly back to the horrible training program, because improving the program (using line qualified instructors, for example) would cost money. Myself and many others have brought up the training to management; they don't care because the only thing they care about is the bottom line. The only thing they spend on safety is a lot of lip service, IMHO.

sizzlechest

Maxjet- I agree with what you are saying. But this is a slightly, by key, different situation. In this case it is shown that he cannot maintain his PIC qual and is still an instructor. When you cannot pass the test you are supposed to teach other guys for, then what the hell are you here for? I know that sim guys can get a type rating and never fly the plane and teach it. That I understand. But when you are supposed to be qualified for the line, maintain that qual and fly the line and then fail at it, you should not be instructing. What kind of credibility do you have then? What student is going to listen to what you say and not think "who are you to talk flunky?". It isn't hating on anyone as much as it is hypocritical to still be teaching.....if I fail my CFI renewal, I can't keep instructing. If I fail a checkride, I don't still get the certificate or rating.... you see?