Nobody wants street captains. Everyone keeps assuming CPZ will hire street captains because it's only "logical", yet no one in the company has said there are plans for that. I don't think Delta would be too happy about it either.

 

Why would Delta care about street captains?

 

Because they care about everything Compass does.

 

More so than their other regional lift?

 

No...

They wouldn't, as they don't micromanage the operation to a T. if street captains are needed to keep the planes flying, it will happen, or something similar to it (CQFO, etc...)
Compass does care though. From the company standpoint, this means dealing with higher insurance premiums, the union (don't believe street captains are allowed per the cba), safety concerns, etc. As I stated previously, no one should be excited about street captains. The only winners are those who get the street captain position.

 

We already are hiring street captains. Is there really any difference between a pilot who just finished training, who is taking an immediate upgrade, versus a person getting hired to start training as a street captain?

No. If a person holds captain before they have started the majority of their first officer training, they will still complete a similar amount, in addition to captain training requirements, to train to the level as captain. Their initial OE will be longer, but similar in length to the combination in time of an initial first officer OE and captain OE.

As far as no one being excited about it, the law requires 1000 hours 121 SIC or 135 PIC. The insurance companies would be far more concerned with Compass upgrading a pilot with only 300 hours of 121 SIC.

A pilot coming from another airline, with at least 1000 hours of 121 SIC, is more experienced and the insurance companies and FAA agree.

The part you said about the CBA not allowing street captains, there is no prohibition. All it states is pilots will upgrade in seniority order, as long as they are qualified. If no pilots are qualified for the captain position, then Compass just hires more pilots and when they run the new bid, those pilots will hold captain. Pretty simple.

 

Da40,
Street Captains isn't a bad thing nor something to get your panties wadded up over.
Delta doesn't not care about this. It's happened before, and it will happen again. Saying that delta cares about this is a baseless projection. The real question is why are YOU so against street captains? Must be an FO without the time to upgrade....
I don't think this will increase insurance premiums either. It just doesn't make sense. Currently, guys are being upgraded who haven't even flown 100 hours as an FO. Why would a street captain with a lot more experience than 2500 TT mean higher premiums?
Also, show me where the Contract prohibits street captains?

 

Roger

filler

 

So....It's a good idea to take a guy who has his 1000 SIC in a 1900 or a Saab or any other airplane really, no previous PIC, and no experience with our way of doing things, and toss him out there with a restricted ATP FO fresh off of a Cessna to deal with all of the mess that is LAX? It might be what we are forced to do to continue to operate, but it is in no way a desirable solution from a safety standpoint. It is not prohibited by law or contract, but that does not make it good.

 

The other interesting predicament that we are getting into, is since we are already hiring captains right out of first officer training, the deeper we go down the list means the longer the captain upgrade footprint will take. For first officers starting upgrade class before finishing their first officer foot print, means they will more than likely need more time than a upgrade that is already done with first officer OE.

If they need 30 new captains by August 1st, then having a June 29th class date won't cut it for someone who needs to get a majority of the new hire and upgrade training complete. We could be falling farther behind on the staffing in the coming months.