Dunkin

Upgrade at PSA will continue to be less than one year for those with the time for at least the next two years, if you have 0 121 time it will be however long it takes you to get 1000 hours. Those saying otherwise on here are not in the know and are making preditions based on what they want to happen, the quick upgrade isn't going anywhere and I wold bet its the same at Mesa, TSA, and Compass as well.

Having said that I would stay at Envoy unless you want to move somewhere else but I don't think you will get furloughed and in a couple years Envoy will start to be in growth mode again.

tom11011

I was under the impression maybe wrongly so that flows were problematic in 2015 because of AA furlough recalls, last chance to come back.

Cujo665

about as accurate as the rest of your posts.
We just awarded transfer to AA for 23 more of our pilots yesterday too.

tom11011

So then I was right.

Skyvector

Actually, you are and continue to be wrong. Envoy flows to AA are not "problematic" and as has been mentioned before we are flowing a MINIMUM of 20 per month until November and 30 per month after that.

In 18 months Envoy will have a 5 year new-hire to AA flow. FLOW-as in no interview, no medical. Basically the same way a base transfer works. 5 years from Envoy new-hire to sitting in class at AA. Anybody already on property by that point will have flowed or be flowing soon. Again, this is in contrast to PSA's 4 interviews per month which is not even a flow. I understand how that is difficult for you as you are PSA's biggest cheerleader on this website.

Cujo665

This is accurate based on the plan as they've explained it to us.

tom11011

We've all been around long enough to know flows are a management tool to retain pilots. They are a company benefit not a pilot benefit. Anyone taking a job at an airline with a flow basically eliminates the parent airline from their job search unless they really do want to stay at the regional for the 5-10 years for the flow to get them there. ie PSA and Envoy pilots shouldn't even bother to apply because of the flow. They will only apply to United and Delta realistically.

Also, I'm not making this stuff up. This post is 2 months old and I'm not going to re-read again but it would seem clear one of your own pilots talking about the flow stopping.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...top-again.html

Skyvector

Tell that to all the Envoy pilots who are now at AA thanks to the flow. Tell that to all the Envoy pilots who are flowing over to AA at the rate of 20 (soon to be 30) a month.

This isn't the late 90s/early 00s anymore. The fact that Envoy has such an enhanced flow is real. The retirement numbers at AA are also real. However, just because AA needs to hire X amount of pilots doesn't mean there is a seat at the table for everyone.

Somebody applying off the street is competing with military pilots, first and foremost. Yes, there are still plenty of them despite the myth. Don't forget that there are many more Guard and Reserve pilots who also count as "military pilots" and thus get to the front of the line. Then they are competing with ex-pat pilots with Boeing and Airbus ratings, pilots from Atlas & Omni with 747 and 767 type ratings. Then throw in LCC Captains from Spirit, JetBlue, Virgin, even SouthWest...and you get the picture. AA has options. The fact that a pilot can come to Envoy and have a guaranteed spot at AA with no interview is a HUGE ADVANTAGE to anybody with a shred of common sense. Want to apply to Delta or United before flowing to AA? Go right ahead. Regardless of what happens the job at AA is in your back pocket.

Go to any other Regional and you don't get the same assurance with the exception of Piedmont. They are the only other airline with an actual flow like Envoy (also to AA). Their flow is smaller, I forget the exact number but it is a flow. Sorry not sorry that the word "flow" has become such a charged term in some circles because of 9/11. But it's time to wake up and move forward. People are flowing and they are real. There are no imaginary Envoy flowthroughs at AA.

PSA had their moment in the sun this past year...at the expense of a few other airlines. Good for them and I hope anybody who went there for that magical PIC has already upgraded. Because true to the Regional airline form the tables are already turning.

Cujo665

I'll be sure to tell that to the dozens of Eagle guys who've gone through the front door. In fact, unfortunately for them, the company stopped street hires, so many are at Envoy awaiting class while we kep sending more flow thru's.

So, wrong again.

and it's not accurate. I'm telling you how it's playing out; including the changes AAG has made to stop street hires to ensure the Envoy flow continues.

all you've proven is you read an internet forum and don't bother to fact check anything.

tom11011

I am fact checking, remember this "I was under the impression maybe wrongly so" ? What do you want me to do call 800-flyenvoy to find out for sure? Don't look for reasons to be angry. *sigh* you just cant make this stuff up on this website. I expect too much I guess.