Compass Updates - Saga Continues
02-27-2018 | 03:45 PM
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Tell me if I understand this correctly. Skywest and Expressjet (maybe others I don't know about) start giving longevity credit, and, knowing they had to be fair to their existing pilots, gave credit to their existing pilots too, for prior 121 experience.
To counter this, Gojet and Compass come up with what we might call, "Longevity Lite". The new hires get prior 121 credit but the the existing pilots with prior 121 experience don't.
So lets say a Compass pilot has been there for 2 years, is a captain, and spent 6 years at another 121, he is on 3rd year captain pay. If he quits and goes to Skywest, and takes a new hire captain slot in DTW, he would start at 7th year captain pay. He moves up 4 years on the scale from his Compass position.
If he quits, and goes back to Compass, he would be 7th year, but might have to spend a few months as an FO.
If he quits and goes to Gojet, he could be a direct entry captain on 7th year pay.
And the union considers this a good deal for what reason?
I would definitely go to Compass if I were an experienced 10 year captain at Expressjet. I would be on 11th year Captain pay and everyday take enjoyment calling the pilots there a bunch of idiots and at the same time they would all agree with me.
Sorry guys, Mr. Kanulius wins again.
To counter this, Gojet and Compass come up with what we might call, "Longevity Lite". The new hires get prior 121 credit but the the existing pilots with prior 121 experience don't.
So lets say a Compass pilot has been there for 2 years, is a captain, and spent 6 years at another 121, he is on 3rd year captain pay. If he quits and goes to Skywest, and takes a new hire captain slot in DTW, he would start at 7th year captain pay. He moves up 4 years on the scale from his Compass position.
If he quits, and goes back to Compass, he would be 7th year, but might have to spend a few months as an FO.
If he quits and goes to Gojet, he could be a direct entry captain on 7th year pay.
And the union considers this a good deal for what reason?
I would definitely go to Compass if I were an experienced 10 year captain at Expressjet. I would be on 11th year Captain pay and everyday take enjoyment calling the pilots there a bunch of idiots and at the same time they would all agree with me.
Sorry guys, Mr. Kanulius wins again.
They would not come in as a captain though??
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02-27-2018 | 04:00 PM
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Tell me if I understand this correctly. Skywest and Expressjet (maybe others I don't know about) start giving longevity credit, and, knowing they had to be fair to their existing pilots, gave credit to their existing pilots too, for prior 121 experience.
To counter this, Gojet and Compass come up with what we might call, "Longevity Lite". The new hires get prior 121 credit but the the existing pilots with prior 121 experience don't.
So lets say a Compass pilot has been there for 2 years, is a captain, and spent 6 years at another 121, he is on 3rd year captain pay. If he quits and goes to Skywest, and takes a new hire captain slot in DTW, he would start at 7th year captain pay. He moves up 4 years on the scale from his Compass position.
If he quits, and goes back to Compass, he would be 7th year, but might have to spend a few months as an FO.
If he quits and goes to Gojet, he could be a direct entry captain on 7th year pay.
And the union considers this a good deal for what reason?
I would definitely go to Compass if I were an experienced 10 year captain at Expressjet. I would be on 11th year Captain pay and everyday take enjoyment calling the pilots there a bunch of idiots and at the same time they would all agree with me.
Sorry guys, Mr. Kanulius wins again.
To counter this, Gojet and Compass come up with what we might call, "Longevity Lite". The new hires get prior 121 credit but the the existing pilots with prior 121 experience don't.
So lets say a Compass pilot has been there for 2 years, is a captain, and spent 6 years at another 121, he is on 3rd year captain pay. If he quits and goes to Skywest, and takes a new hire captain slot in DTW, he would start at 7th year captain pay. He moves up 4 years on the scale from his Compass position.
If he quits, and goes back to Compass, he would be 7th year, but might have to spend a few months as an FO.
If he quits and goes to Gojet, he could be a direct entry captain on 7th year pay.
And the union considers this a good deal for what reason?
I would definitely go to Compass if I were an experienced 10 year captain at Expressjet. I would be on 11th year Captain pay and everyday take enjoyment calling the pilots there a bunch of idiots and at the same time they would all agree with me.
Sorry guys, Mr. Kanulius wins again.
You wrote a lot and I might be confused but I don’t think what your saying is right. The way I read the email it says that a pilot coming to compass from another 121 will get one year credit for each 2 years spent at his/her previous 121 carrier. So the way I read it is if you spend 10yrs at let’s say Mesa and then come to cpz, you start at year 5pay until you upgrade then you go to actual longevity. Example is if you upgrade after being here for two years then you pay scale is now year 3 as a ca.
You had a lot of examples and maybe I’m
Just really confused by your examples....
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02-27-2018 | 04:15 PM
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You wrote a lot and I might be confused but I don’t think what your saying is right. The way I read the email it says that a pilot coming to compass from another 121 will get one year credit for each 2 years spent at his/her previous 121 carrier. So the way I read it is if you spend 10yrs at let’s say Mesa and then come to cpz, you start at year 5pay until you upgrade then you go to actual longevity. Example is if you upgrade after being here for two years then you pay scale is now year 3 as a ca.
You had a lot of examples and maybe I’m
Just really confused by your examples....
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You had a lot of examples and maybe I’m
Just really confused by your examples....
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02-27-2018 | 04:22 PM
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I don't think us giving longevity credit is a "concession", other than sure it's a couple of bucks that could have went in my pocket, but TSH is paying more money to somebody, just not to me. I got a raise too from the increased CA rate, and ultimately yeah okay so somebody goes up a step or two on the FO rate, good for them, they've already paid some dues at another 121, we're making things better for them. Just like the ready reserve rules don't affect me, but I still would like to see them better for the new people because why pull the ladder up after ourselves?
And even if you say "oh well it's a concession", if it helps us staff, it's a WIN. Right now anything we can do to staff improves my QOL... no raised floor, more days off, maybe even green days again to drop those unproductive turns, no attempts to jr man me... I will happily let them pay a $25k signing bonus and give me nothing if it means I get back to 19-20 days off a month, thank you very much.
And even if you say "oh well it's a concession", if it helps us staff, it's a WIN. Right now anything we can do to staff improves my QOL... no raised floor, more days off, maybe even green days again to drop those unproductive turns, no attempts to jr man me... I will happily let them pay a $25k signing bonus and give me nothing if it means I get back to 19-20 days off a month, thank you very much.
02-27-2018 | 05:43 PM
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IDK, This deal could be 'Okay' If it wasn't for the Right seat Qual and the Extension.
Really looking at it what did the pilots win? A few things. What did the pilots win that the company didn't want them to win? Nothing.
What did the company win that the pilots lost out on? A lot. What did the company win that the pilots also won on? A few things.
That's all well and good, its the nature of a deal. But you send that to the pilots to decide, not just sign it in and sell it as a win.
Really looking at it what did the pilots win? A few things. What did the pilots win that the company didn't want them to win? Nothing.
What did the company win that the pilots lost out on? A lot. What did the company win that the pilots also won on? A few things.
That's all well and good, its the nature of a deal. But you send that to the pilots to decide, not just sign it in and sell it as a win.
02-27-2018 | 05:54 PM
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IDK, This deal could be 'Okay' If it wasn't for the Right seat Qual and the Extension.
Really looking at it what did the pilots win? A few things. What did the pilots win that the company didn't want them to win? Nothing.
What did the company win that the pilots lost out on? A lot. What did the company win that the pilots also won on? A few things.
That's all well and good, its the nature of a deal. But you send that to the pilots to decide, not just sign it in and sell it as a win.
Really looking at it what did the pilots win? A few things. What did the pilots win that the company didn't want them to win? Nothing.
What did the company win that the pilots lost out on? A lot. What did the company win that the pilots also won on? A few things.
That's all well and good, its the nature of a deal. But you send that to the pilots to decide, not just sign it in and sell it as a win.
02-27-2018 | 05:58 PM
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I don't see that here.
I would be curious what that number is at other properties.
02-27-2018 | 06:35 PM
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I also think we should have had a "me-too" clause that says if rates go up at OO/QX/YX/EV etc, that we get a match.
02-27-2018 | 06:39 PM
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Should have been an LOA voted on by pilots. Unbelievable they extended the contract 2 years in a closed door meeting.
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