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Old 02-28-2018 | 06:20 AM
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Still a lot of assumptions based on yet other assumptions regarding a program we know nothing about other than three lines in an ALPA email. Let's hold off a bit before we get the pitch forks and torches, mkay?
Old 02-28-2018 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by MolineCFI
It is a loss in the battle to get pilots. Not having the longevity increase for current pilots hurts and current or past 121 pilots will not consider coming to Compass now.

From my viewpoint it looks like a trick to get guys to go to Compass who assume it is the same deal as the other airline. Compass in their advertisement says, "New Hire Longevity Carryover", when that is not true. Imagine leaving another airline for Compass only to find your 6 years of experience results in only 3 years of carryover.
Dude. You are cracking me up over these longevity posts. If a pilot leaves his carrier and comes here without knowing the facts of the longevity credit program, he/she is an idiot. Move on.

The absolute biggest slam to your pilot group was the current ALPA leaders extending this already very lackluster CBA without a pilot group vote. They need to answer to this one.

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Old 02-28-2018 | 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Air Stang 7
I would say you’re one percent correct.
At least they voted on their bad deal, and they are working on renegotiating it currently.
Old 02-28-2018 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by veewan
At least they voted on their bad deal, and they are working on renegotiating it currently.
So how serious are you?


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Old 02-28-2018 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by VIRotate
The right seat quals thing really rubs me the wrong way. The day that they start sitting captains in the right seat is the day I hang up my hat (pun intended) and go fly the big yellow bus. I refuse to be a part of an airline that resorts to that sort of thing.
Kinda with ya, and with their new TA the first year pay cut wouldn’t be that bad
Old 02-28-2018 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by mpet
Extending this CBA without pilot approval is shady, but most gains come through LOAs now because of market forces. A CBA takes an eternity to amend with a TA if either side wants it to.
I feel like this was tangentially a point I was trying to make earlier. LOAs are the hot thing right now, which is why I'm not too worried about the extension. I don't like it, but its not like our book is set in stone.

Besides... Ask Envoy and skywest... They'll both be getting our planes/flying in 2020 anyway. Lol so who cares?
Old 02-28-2018 | 10:39 AM
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With this new agreement do you keep your longevity credit when you upgrade from FO to Captain?
Old 02-28-2018 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Gordon Axel
With this new agreement do you keep your longevity credit when you upgrade from FO to Captain?
Nope. Goes to actual
Old 02-28-2018 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Poser765
So? thats like management negotiations 101.
Yep. Lie, lie, and lie some more. It's airline mgmt's m.o. The real problems happen when people start believing those lies.
Old 02-28-2018 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ConfCodeCOOL
I don't think us giving longevity credit is a "concession", other than sure it's a couple of bucks that could have went in my pocket, but TSH is paying more money to somebody, just not to me. I got a raise too from the increased CA rate, and ultimately yeah okay so somebody goes up a step or two on the FO rate, good for them, they've already paid some dues at another 121, we're making things better for them. Just like the ready reserve rules don't affect me, but I still would like to see them better for the new people because why pull the ladder up after ourselves?
And even if you say "oh well it's a concession", if it helps us staff, it's a WIN. Right now anything we can do to staff improves my QOL... no raised floor, more days off, maybe even green days again to drop those unproductive turns, no attempts to jr man me... I will happily let them pay a $25k signing bonus and give me nothing if it means I get back to 19-20 days off a month, thank you very much.
If you are worried about the company’s ability to recruit, and are willing to give up negotiating capital for it, you’re doing it wrong.
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