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01-12-2017 | 08:01 PM

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AirBat

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

So all back side of the clock should be illegal? Make sure to tell that to legacy pilots flying redeye pairings.

Is that what I said? OK... United pays 10 hrs for a CDO btw, let me know when we get that in our contract.
But you can sleep just fine for a redeye. What you can't do is be ready for your reserve assignment at any time ready to sleep for 8 hours despite having just woken up.
Any legacy giving redeye pairings to AM reserves would have the exact same issue. When you have a trip with a redeye, then you can plan for it and do what you need to do to be rested.... and then it's your responsibility. (But they share it too when constructing the pairing.. JOINT responsibility.)

01-12-2017 | 08:17 PM

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So all back side of the clock should be illegal? Make sure to tell that to legacy pilots flying redeye pairings.

The legacies probably have something in their contract or an agreement with the company that changing from night to day duty (or vice versa) is both preceded and followed by 2 days off or some adequate amount of rest. There are even regionals with this in their contracts.

01-12-2017 | 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nantonaku

You've got rose-colored glasses on. It is quite common for Delta to have rotations with a long AM trans con to the west coast followed by only 12 hours off and then a redeye that night. I'd argue there's a certain segment of our group that loves these and calls them "efficient." I'm sorry to say the company agrees and gleefully creates these trips. Last year on reserve, I was assigned a DH to Vegas with one hour turn time just to work the redeye back to ATL. That was brutal. No contractual protection for that as it fit within our PWA duty and the 117 limits.

01-12-2017 | 10:19 PM

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Just do what Denzel Washington does before he flys. And you'll stay awake for your inverse-circadian trip. Easy peasy!

01-13-2017 | 06:03 AM

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Guys, I think we are , in compass fashion, making much more of this then then it's worth. The bottom line is this, if you are not fit to fly call in fatigued. The only question to the legality of this is a liberal interpretation of an Advisory Circular.

Has anyone with an issue with these schedules brought it up with the FT/DT committee yet? If so what was their stance?