so I talked with a senior friend of mine and he explained it to me this way. (i'll use this bids dates)

The bid awards came out on the 20th.
If you were awarded a few trips and your credit falls below 75hrs, you participate in the SCP, which is the 20th to the 22. That is when you can try to add trips from open time to get your line above 75hrs. or you can swap trips your were awarded with open time. Only pilots with lines we credit less than 75 can participate in SCP. This is your chance to get your line up to 75hrs.
Now, when SCP closes if your still have less than 75hrs of credit, the company will add reserve days to bring your line up to 75. For this purpose the reserve day will count as 4 hrs.
All this is explained in sec 25 G-13

After the SCP closes, then SAP opens, this month it was 24 &25th.
now line holders can participate and buildup line holders can too. Reserve lines and CDO lines can not participate in SAP. During SAP you can swap or add trips but you can not go below 75 or over the monthly max. No partial swaps or adds are allowed during SAP.

THE BAD NEWS:
sec 25 N-2a(2) says for Buildup line holders, reserve days can NOT be modified.
So that means, if after SCP you still had less than 75hrs and they added reserve days to your schedule, you can not drop them.

Seems a little weird to me, lets say you end up with a few trips and they added 5 reserve days to bring you up to 75hrs. Then during SAP you are allowed to add a trip of say 15 hrs credit, that would make your line at 90hrs, but you can't drop the reserve days.

So my friend said what he has seen some people do...
they get a line with less than 75hrs at the award time. During SCP they just add anything they can to bring their line up to 75hrs. Now no reserve days are added and now after SAP closes, they can drop or swap however they like. Some people drop the trips they don't like and then pick up stuff during the month to bring them back to 75 or they drop and accept that they will not get guarantee that month.

one other thing he said. if you get a line with less than 75hrs, and during SCP it looks like you will not be able to add enough trips to get you to 75hrs, you can reject the buildup line as long as you do it before SCP closes. then you will get a straight reserve line, but since you are at the top of the reserves you are guaranteed to get LCR if really want to avoid short call.

I asked how come everyone told us buildup lines can drop the reserve days and then add trips?
He said, probably people meant they avoided reserve days being added by doing the above process. or could be like stated above that FLICA allowed you to do it.

sounds like you guys with reserve days in May are stuck now.
but you can always try to convince scheduling to let you drop them so you can pick up open time. They have many that don't know the rules so you may get away with it.

 

Thanks for all that. Still begs the question though can you SWAP rsv days for opentime lines? Cause thats what scheduling told me when I was trying to. Over and over again they told me I could swap for lines but I could not simply drop RSV. The issue then became the fact that IOCC wouldn't let me swap and they wouldn't let me drop in order to swap, lol



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ya I don't count training time since i was not on reserve then.
training is kind-of like a line, you know what your schedule is during that time. no sitting around a crashpad wasting your day.

 

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At least scheduling let you try to swap reserve days on a build up for open time trips. When I had a build up line, they told me the best they could do was "put a note that I wanted the trip I was requesting" which then was awarded to someone else and not me. I couldn't drop reserve days, or swap, or have any say in what open time trips to work (and there were some open time trips I really liked) when I had a build-up. Granted, this was right after IOE and so I wasn't able to participate in the SCP/SAP process.

 

Thank you so much for this explanation. I was reading the contract and saw that it is possible to build-up line in favor of LCR which I will obviously get. That being said, I really do need to fly. I'll deal with my 8 days of RSV. Still manged to squeeze 13 days off in May. Anyways next time I will try to pick up anything and everything during SCP and then drop what I really don't want and eventually find something I do. Again, thank you for the great advice!

 

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You guys are obviously senior to me since I have never been able to hold a buildup line yet. I would be very interested if you post your experience in trying to swap, drop etc.

Reading through sec25-N4 here is what I see a buildup line holder can do.
- you can drop or swap a trip, but you can't drop more than 50% of the what you have.
- add a trip
- swap reserve days with days OFF
- trade reserve days with another buildup pilot or a reserve pilot
(This is in 25-FF-4)

So looks like the only way to avoid reserve days with a buildup line is during the. 2 days of SCP. Once they add them to your schedule, your stuck with them. Unless you beg Scheduling or become a PITA and they do what you ask to get rid of you, LOL

 

Now here is what I saw from the 3 months of build-up line I am on right now. So far during SCP I couldn't add any trip successfully to boost up to 75hours. I have not been bidding any restriction to any layers, not even bidding days off, so any trips remaining on SCP are likely trip that conflicts my awarded pairings already.

About build up line switching to LCR, better check your line award and reserve award to make sure where you at if you go for RSV line, there are senior people (probably 60-70% seniority in base) who can hold a ****ty line but instead they rather bid RSV lines just to be able to hold LCR.

 

When will your PHX base be opening up? Will it go senior or could a new hire get it right out of training?