Requirements for SIC
03-14-2007, 02:18 PM
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Requirements for SIC
Q for the group. I went thru the FAR/AIM and believe I have the answer, however...
Part 91 Hawker 800XP has a type rated PIC but requires 2 pilots up front. Is there a such a thing as a SIC rating for the right seat? Is it less $ for this training than a type?
I'm obviously new to the corporate world, thanks.
Part 91 Hawker 800XP has a type rated PIC but requires 2 pilots up front. Is there a such a thing as a SIC rating for the right seat? Is it less $ for this training than a type?
I'm obviously new to the corporate world, thanks.
03-14-2007, 03:12 PM
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You don't necessarily need a SIC type rating to fly right seat in a Hawker unless you're going international. Then you would need it.
To fly right seat part 91 in a jet refer to FAR 61.55 "Second in Command Qualifications"
3 takeoffs/landings as sole manipulator, emergency proc's, etc... within 12 months before you can act as SIC with pax.
To fly right seat part 91 in a jet refer to FAR 61.55 "Second in Command Qualifications"
3 takeoffs/landings as sole manipulator, emergency proc's, etc... within 12 months before you can act as SIC with pax.
03-14-2007, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by The dude
You don't necessarily need a SIC type rating to fly right seat in a Hawker unless you're going international. Then you would need it.
To fly right seat part 91 in a jet refer to FAR 61.55 "Second in Command Qualifications"
3 takeoffs/landings as sole manipulator, emergency proc's, etc... within 12 months before you can act as SIC with pax.
To fly right seat part 91 in a jet refer to FAR 61.55 "Second in Command Qualifications"
3 takeoffs/landings as sole manipulator, emergency proc's, etc... within 12 months before you can act as SIC with pax.
03-14-2007, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by The dude
You don't necessarily need a SIC type rating to fly right seat in a Hawker unless you're going international. Then you would need it.
To fly right seat part 91 in a jet refer to FAR 61.55 "Second in Command Qualifications"
3 takeoffs/landings as sole manipulator, emergency proc's, etc... within 12 months before you can act as SIC with pax.
To fly right seat part 91 in a jet refer to FAR 61.55 "Second in Command Qualifications"
3 takeoffs/landings as sole manipulator, emergency proc's, etc... within 12 months before you can act as SIC with pax.
03-17-2007, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by checknin
True, but there are many part 91 departments being hamstrung by the demands of insurance providers who often require that all crewmembers to attend "school" before flying in either seat. Check with your potential employer for their insurance requirements.
This brings me to a quick logging question. How do you guys that don't have a type log the time when your the "sole manipulator"? I know most places don't like to see it as PIC time, but you need to log it some way for IFR and TO's & landing currency.
03-17-2007, 04:08 PM
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For Part 91, if you aren't rated in an aircraft requiring a rating then you can't log it as PIC. You can log landings and IFR but only as SIC. If it's Part 135 you can't log PIC unless you are listed as PIC on the paperwork, even when it's your leg.
03-17-2007, 07:42 PM
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For Part 91, if you aren't rated in an aircraft requiring a rating then you can't log it as PIC. You can log landings and IFR but only as SIC. If it's Part 135 you can't log PIC unless you are listed as PIC on the paperwork, even when it's your leg.
03-18-2007, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PositiveRate
That's what I have been doing. But it does count towards my IFR currency when I am the one shooting the approaches right? I didn't really think about till the other day, I just want to make sure I can stay IFR legal.
And just to make it clear, "sole manipulator of the controls" doesn't have to mean you're the PIC. It just means you're the one doing the flying. So you can log it, either as SIC (if you qualify), or as nothing other than just your total time.
And by the way, where'd you find this guy that's willing to give someone a type rating for the Hawker as well as at least a year's job? I need to talk to this guy
03-18-2007, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by XcalibeR
61.57 (c) (1) says you have to shoot the approaches in the same category, but not class. So yes, it would count for IFR currency.
And just to make it clear, "sole manipulator of the controls" doesn't have to mean you're the PIC. It just means you're the one doing the flying. So you can log it, either as SIC (if you qualify), or as nothing other than just your total time.
And by the way, where'd you find this guy that's willing to give someone a type rating for the Hawker as well as at least a year's job? I need to talk to this guy
And just to make it clear, "sole manipulator of the controls" doesn't have to mean you're the PIC. It just means you're the one doing the flying. So you can log it, either as SIC (if you qualify), or as nothing other than just your total time.
And by the way, where'd you find this guy that's willing to give someone a type rating for the Hawker as well as at least a year's job? I need to talk to this guy
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