2 year training contracts
02-24-2019, 09:29 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by Dhood84
I appreciate the post, but respectfully disagree with your assumption of my friends practices. The schedule, pay and bennies are in the top 5% for that airframe, nowhere near “average”. Just because I didn’t say “excellent / stellar” doesn’t imply anything. As far as your point of hiring the right people, even the craziest and most disrupting individual can get through the cracks. I was on the hiring board for one of my companies and interviewed hundreds of candidates. Let’s just say this, people are great actors when they want to be and sometimes it’s very hard to decipher the bull****.
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02-25-2019, 05:32 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by billsaw
Unless of course what you and your friend may assume is top 5% really isn't. I am not looking at these gimmick salary surveys for my numbers.
This. Top 5% (NE) for a 90K+ aircraft is hovering between 300-350K in total compensation. Combine that with a week on/week off schedule and at least 6%+ match on retirement. Leaving mid trip on your first week for that? Doesn't make sense, financially or otherwise.
02-25-2019, 06:16 AM
#23
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This was two years ago gents and yes the guy was replaced and is still there of course. I was just stating a fact that there is fluky **** out there and because of that, employers have been burned before as well, hence the two year contracts at some shops.
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02-25-2019, 09:31 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by Dhood84
This was two years ago gents and yes the guy was replaced and is still there of course. I was just stating a fact that there is fluky **** out there and because of that, employers have been burned before as well, hence the two year contracts at some shops.
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99% that want training contracts are not places anyone wants to work for one minute longer than it takes to get a better job.
Just how it works...
02-25-2019, 09:41 AM
#25
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Originally Posted by BPWI
This. Top 5% (NE) for a 90K+ aircraft is hovering between 300-350K in total compensation. Combine that with a week on/week off schedule and at least 6%+ match on retirement. Leaving mid trip on your first week for that? Doesn't make sense, financially or otherwise.
The market (capitalism) sorts it out.
I had one guy who had very specific requirements which I met offer me a job. Pretty much all the same except a little less than 2/3 the pay. Kept telling me what a great job it was. And it was. All except the pay. But to him it was great.
However the best was I had another guy talk to me about a job. Same type I fly now. Now I work 2 weeks on/off. He was offering literally half what I make now and NO time off except vacation. I had to use all my willpower not to laugh in his face. I mean I thought it was a joke at first.
Point is some people are stuck in 2010 and in 2010 these would have been acceptable to many without jobs.
Now to use someone else's quote I read a while ago.
Back then pilots were looking for planes to fly.
Now planes are looking for pilots.
Times have changed.
02-25-2019, 07:42 PM
#26
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Depends on what the contract is for. A type rating in a Global or G650 is justifiably with a contract, especially if it’s a big step up. If it’s for a Lear 45 or for required recurrent, it’s ridiculous. I signed one but two valuable type ratings, the job was a great resume improvement, and it opened doors. I figured I needed a year’s experience in type anyway.
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02-27-2019, 09:13 AM
#27
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I understand FlightSafety International also uses a two-year new hire training contract. I think they don't want to train people to instruct their ground schools and simulators... just to see them run off to a better job a few months later. I am not keen on locking into a two-year contract. Delta Air Lines never had this... of course they are the golden ring job!
02-28-2019, 08:59 AM
#28
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I also believe that many of these 135's are not trusting of any pilots who walk through their doors. I was offered a few 135 gigs, however one was paying $57K and another was paying $65K but they both required a training agreement, loan agreement and non-disclosure. I feel that this taking advantage of pilots because you are also paying back interest on a $20,000 loan. I think that with today's market, one should not have to sign any type of agreement as this could be considered indentured servitude.
02-28-2019, 09:32 AM
#29
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Originally Posted by Captain Thomas
I understand FlightSafety International also uses a two-year new hire training contract. I think they don't want to train people to instruct their ground schools and simulators... just to see them run off to a better job a few months later. I am not keen on locking into a two-year contract. Delta Air Lines never had this... of course they are the golden ring job!
Many instructors (not all) have lost their medical, retired, and or don't want to travel so in masse I think these days they are hiring from a little different pool. But nonetheless they are hurting.
02-28-2019, 09:39 AM
#30
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Originally Posted by SpaceManX
I also believe that many of these 135's are not trusting of any pilots who walk through their doors. I was offered a few 135 gigs, however one was paying $57K and another was paying $65K but they both required a training agreement, loan agreement and non-disclosure. I feel that this taking advantage of pilots because you are also paying back interest on a $20,000 loan. I think that with today's market, one should not have to sign any type of agreement as this could be considered indentured servitude.
I understand why these companies want this. They are getting burned. But hey if they compete and pay more people won't quit. Then there is no need for the contract. Signing a training contract is just bad news.
Anyhow most of these companies that make you sign them aren't operating above board totally anyway. I have seen many leave these types of places and when the talk of withholding their last check and paying back the training bond comes up the pilots have let three little letters fall out of their mouth (FAA) and so far it has ended with here is your paycheck and good luck! So I guess there is always that.
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