Will airlines force employees get vaccine??
05-24-2021, 06:55 PM
#661
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Originally Posted by skywatch
You don't have to worry about that anymore - you have the vaccine. Why do you care what he does if you have the vaccine?
A) weak low status males
B) women
Harassing others over the vaccine is their big chance to pretend to be strong and courageous, and it's why they constantly seek approval from everyone over the matter by reminding us like they have paid some sort of debt to society. People who don't have those issues tend to make a decision based on what is best for them and then quietly go on their way.
What they don't understand is that simply opting out of the vaccine does not make one anti-vax. Everyone gets to govern their own health based on what is best for them, and that makes some people very angry apparently.
Last edited by SSlow; 05-24-2021 at 07:11 PM.
05-25-2021, 07:01 AM
#663
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Differing views are fine, lies are not.
The vaccine is "safe" is a subjective opinion and based on an individual's definition of safe and based on the history of the vaccine, which it amazes me some feel can be completely established in stone based on just a few months of data. We find out about side effects (problems?) with medications and vaccines in some cases decades after they were originally approved, and I expect these vaccines will be no different.
I feel it is a mistake to go down the path of suppressing any dissenting opinion, no matter how unpopular or misguided. The better response is to rebut and educate, IMHO.
05-25-2021, 07:28 AM
#664
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Originally Posted by skywatch
Rick - much respect to you and your knowledge, but - Water at sea level boils at 212 degrees Fahrenheit - that is a fact.
The vaccine is "safe" is a subjective opinion and based on an individual's definition of safe and based on the history of the vaccine, which it amazes me some feel can be completely established in stone based on just a few months of data. We find out about side effects (problems?) with medications and vaccines in some cases decades after they were originally approved, and I expect these vaccines will be no different.
I feel it is a mistake to go down the path of suppressing any dissenting opinion, no matter how unpopular or misguided. The better response is to rebut and educate, IMHO.
The vaccine is "safe" is a subjective opinion and based on an individual's definition of safe and based on the history of the vaccine, which it amazes me some feel can be completely established in stone based on just a few months of data. We find out about side effects (problems?) with medications and vaccines in some cases decades after they were originally approved, and I expect these vaccines will be no different.
I feel it is a mistake to go down the path of suppressing any dissenting opinion, no matter how unpopular or misguided. The better response is to rebut and educate, IMHO.
05-25-2021, 07:41 AM
#665
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Rational reasonable discussion is always fine. Describing a major public health initiative as "poison" with zero basis in fact is not fine and we're done with that here on APC... take it to FB of flightinfo, they are not moderated and you can interact with like-minded people to your heart's content. Here you're free to say you're concerned about possible long-term issues (I will have a rational and civil rebuttal as to why that's unlikely), free to talk about any ACTUAL science that's reasonably well documented, or free to talk about what whaterever phobias you have about pharma. But you cannot lie or promulgate other people's lies here, MOST people who frequent APC are not interested in that and the member feedback on this reflects that fact.
05-25-2021, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluesteal
Rick, Im sure you are a standup guy. But, I am starting to agree with some of the others on here, I think we are going a tad too far. Science clearly is not settled and the fact is new information and updates comes out daily and things change with that new info. But, I think you should cite some sources when you speak about science or vaccines,etc so we can see where you are coming from. You comment alot, but maybe citing some sources or some documents backing up the science or vaccine safety that you see will definately help others maybe see things better... I don't know. Maybe post some links with your comments so we can better understand this. Going back and forth with everyone with just words probably doesn't help everyone understand the bigger picture. Just my 2 cents
05-25-2021, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
an FDA endorsement is sufficient evidence for me.
I guess when the feds certify something as "safe" that makes it so? *cough* max *cough*
Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
Calling an FDA emergency use authorized vaccine given to 150+ million people with no major side effects “safe” is not an insane claim.
05-25-2021, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
LOL ha ha ha.... you're serious? lolz.....
I guess when the feds certify something as "safe" that makes it so? *cough* max *cough*
There has been no longitudinal studies done on the vaccine because it has only been around a few months. We won't know that it is truly "safe" for years, maybe even decades.
I guess when the feds certify something as "safe" that makes it so? *cough* max *cough*
There has been no longitudinal studies done on the vaccine because it has only been around a few months. We won't know that it is truly "safe" for years, maybe even decades.
Do you have any evidence of any vaccine causing long term issues years down the road that weren’t evident at first?
05-25-2021, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluesteal
Rick, Im sure you are a standup guy. But, I am starting to agree with some of the others on here, I think we are going a tad too far. Science clearly is not settled and the fact is new information and updates comes out daily and things change with that new info. But, I think you should cite some sources when you speak about science or vaccines,etc so we can see where you are coming from. You comment alot, but maybe citing some sources or some documents backing up the science or vaccine safety that you see will definately help others maybe see things better... I don't know. Maybe post some links with your comments so we can better understand this. Going back and forth with everyone with just words probably doesn't help everyone understand the bigger picture. Just my 2 cents
I feel like if you are going to spread information in direct opposition to the views of the FDA, CDC, the EU Public Health Division, and pretty much any doctor you bother to ask YOU should be the one supplying evidence.
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