Was COVID-19 Man Made in Chinese Lab?
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You're not supposed to turn them on until FL 240 to avoid suspicion. They turn frogs gay, which by a 4th-order effect in a highly elaborate Deep State plan, will let the government take our rights away for a new world order where the World Supreme Being and Overlord gets rich, or something. There's also lizard people and aliens in there somewhere. Don't bang the aliens or they'll leave ghosts in your blood that give you ED. So quit feeling sorry for your grandpa, he knows what he did. Did I hit all of the not-so-fringe-anymore conspiracy high notes?
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You're not supposed to turn them on until FL 240 to avoid suspicion. They turn frogs gay, which by a 4th-order effect in a highly elaborate Deep State plan, will let the government take our rights away for a new world order where the World Supreme Being and Overlord gets rich, or something. There's also lizard people and aliens in there somewhere. Don't bang the aliens or they'll leave ghosts in your blood that give you ED. So quit feeling sorry for your grandpa, he knows what he did. Did I hit all of the not-so-fringe-anymore conspiracy high notes?
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Yuri Deigin and Bret Weinstein did a poscast talking about it. Bret Weinstein is a biologist and evolutionary theorist, Yuri Deigin specializes in genetics- link below to his Medium article discussing whether the current coronavirus came from a lab. TLDR, YES and the genetic material is 100% identical to a bat Coronavirus discovered in 2013.
https://medium.com/@yurideigin/lab-made-cov2-genealogy-through-the-lens-of-gain-of-function-research-f96dd7413748
I think I'll trust a biologist, someone familiar with the lab and someone who specializes in genetics over CCP propaganda.
https://medium.com/@yurideigin/lab-made-cov2-genealogy-through-the-lens-of-gain-of-function-research-f96dd7413748
I think I'll trust a biologist, someone familiar with the lab and someone who specializes in genetics over CCP propaganda.
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Personally I see this as more proof it didn't originate maliciously from the Wuhan Lab because I'm sure China has facilities like Dugway out in the Gobi desert somewhere, which would be better suited for that type of work. Although, it wouldn't surprise me if the virus was released accidentally through bad biowaste protocols, but Chinese wet markets are such a breeding ground for zoonotic viruses that it just seems like the most probable cause. Also, this is, what, the third pandemic in the last 20 years to come from a Chinese wet market? I think it's high time we crack the whip on China for their damn wet markets.
It’s important to note that the story it came from nature is the crazy conspiracy, given the facts.
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It absolutely wasn’t the wet market. No animal sold at the market, or that’s native to Wuhan could have fostered the mutation for COVID-19. If it came from nature, then there is an intermediary animal that we haven’t discovered yet, that had to first get it from a bat, then undergo decades of mutations.
It’s important to note that the story it came from nature is the crazy conspiracy, given the facts.
It’s important to note that the story it came from nature is the crazy conspiracy, given the facts.
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Personally I see this as more proof it didn't originate maliciously from the Wuhan Lab because I'm sure China has facilities like Dugway out in the Gobi desert somewhere, which would be better suited for that type of work. Although, it wouldn't surprise me if the virus was released accidentally through bad biowaste protocols, but Chinese wet markets are such a breeding ground for zoonotic viruses that it just seems like the most probable cause. Also, this is, what, the third pandemic in the last 20 years to come from a Chinese wet market? I think it's high time we crack the whip on China for their damn wet markets.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/25-year...bola-outbreak/
But I agree about the non-malicious part.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
There were concerns raised about this lab from its inception.
The opportunities for international collaboration, meanwhile, will aid the genetic analysis and epidemiology of emergent diseases. “The world is facing more new emerging viruses, and we need more contribution from China,” says Gao. In particular, the emergence of zoonotic viruses — those that jump to humans from animals, such as SARS or Ebola — is a concern, says Bruno Lina, director of the VirPath virology lab in Lyon, France.
Many staff from the Wuhan lab have been training at a BSL-4 lab in Lyon, which some scientists find reassuring. And the facility has already carried out a test-run using a low-risk virus.
But worries surround the Chinese lab, too. The SARS virus has escaped from high-level containment facilities in Beijing multiple times, notes Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey. Tim Trevan, founder of CHROME Biosafety and Biosecurity Consulting in Damascus, Maryland, says that an open culture is important to keeping BSL-4 labs safe, and he questions how easy this will be in China, where society emphasizes hierarchy. “Diversity of viewpoint, flat structures where everyone feels free to speak up and openness of information are important,” he says.
Yuan says that he has worked to address this issue with staff. “We tell them the most important thing is that they report what they have or haven’t done,” he says. And the lab’s inter*national collaborations will increase openness. “Transparency is the basis of the lab,” he adds.
The plan to expand into a network heightens such concerns. One BSL-4 lab in Harbin is already awaiting accreditation; the next two are expected to be in Beijing and Kunming, the latter focused on using monkey models to study disease.
Lina says that China’s size justifies this scale, and that the opportunity to combine BSL-4 research with an abundance of research monkeys — Chinese researchers face less red tape than those in the West when it comes to research on primates — could be powerful. “If you want to test vaccines or antivirals, you need a non-human primate model,” says Lina.
But Ebright is not convinced of the need for more than one BSL-4 lab in mainland China. He suspects that the expansion there is a reaction to the networks in the United States and Europe, which he says are also unwarranted. He adds that governments will assume that such excess capacity is for the potential development of bioweapons.
“These facilities are inherently dual use,” he says. The prospect of ramping up opportunities to inject monkeys with pathogens also worries, rather than excites, him: “They can run, they can scratch, they can bite.”
Trevan says China’s investment in a BSL-4 lab may, above all, be a way to prove to the world that the nation is competitive. “It is a big status symbol in biology,” he says, “whether it’s a need or not.”
Nature 542, 399–400 (23 February 2017) doi:10.1038/nature.2017.21487
Many staff from the Wuhan lab have been training at a BSL-4 lab in Lyon, which some scientists find reassuring. And the facility has already carried out a test-run using a low-risk virus.
But worries surround the Chinese lab, too. The SARS virus has escaped from high-level containment facilities in Beijing multiple times, notes Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey. Tim Trevan, founder of CHROME Biosafety and Biosecurity Consulting in Damascus, Maryland, says that an open culture is important to keeping BSL-4 labs safe, and he questions how easy this will be in China, where society emphasizes hierarchy. “Diversity of viewpoint, flat structures where everyone feels free to speak up and openness of information are important,” he says.
Yuan says that he has worked to address this issue with staff. “We tell them the most important thing is that they report what they have or haven’t done,” he says. And the lab’s inter*national collaborations will increase openness. “Transparency is the basis of the lab,” he adds.
The plan to expand into a network heightens such concerns. One BSL-4 lab in Harbin is already awaiting accreditation; the next two are expected to be in Beijing and Kunming, the latter focused on using monkey models to study disease.
Lina says that China’s size justifies this scale, and that the opportunity to combine BSL-4 research with an abundance of research monkeys — Chinese researchers face less red tape than those in the West when it comes to research on primates — could be powerful. “If you want to test vaccines or antivirals, you need a non-human primate model,” says Lina.
But Ebright is not convinced of the need for more than one BSL-4 lab in mainland China. He suspects that the expansion there is a reaction to the networks in the United States and Europe, which he says are also unwarranted. He adds that governments will assume that such excess capacity is for the potential development of bioweapons.
“These facilities are inherently dual use,” he says. The prospect of ramping up opportunities to inject monkeys with pathogens also worries, rather than excites, him: “They can run, they can scratch, they can bite.”
Trevan says China’s investment in a BSL-4 lab may, above all, be a way to prove to the world that the nation is competitive. “It is a big status symbol in biology,” he says, “whether it’s a need or not.”
Nature 542, 399–400 (23 February 2017) doi:10.1038/nature.2017.21487
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It absolutely wasn’t the wet market. No animal sold at the market, or that’s native to Wuhan could have fostered the mutation for COVID-19. If it came from nature, then there is an intermediary animal that we haven’t discovered yet, that had to first get it from a bat, then undergo decades of mutations.
It’s important to note that the story it came from nature is the crazy conspiracy, given the facts.
It’s important to note that the story it came from nature is the crazy conspiracy, given the facts.
Also, I thought the belief was that the virus jumped from a bat, to an intermediary, to a human. A wet market is the only place in the world where bats, snakes, pangolins, dogs, cats, badgers, wolf pups, porcupines, ducks, etc are kept alive, in cages, in close proximity, in usually unsanitary conditions.
Here's an interesting article on it:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...rus-explained/
I'm not refuting your claims, just adding perspective.
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Saying that this comes from a wet market because that would make it the third pandemic to come from a wet market is sort of making a claim beyond the data. Certainly accidental escapes of pathogens from laboratories are frequent enough. We had a discovery of a brand new Ebola variant - fortunately not terribly lethal to humans - 25 years ago right near Dulles airport:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/25-year...bola-outbreak/
But I agree about the non-malicious part.
There were concerns raised about this lab from its inception.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/25-year...bola-outbreak/
But I agree about the non-malicious part.
There were concerns raised about this lab from its inception.
This reminds me of all those times I laughed at the movie 28 Weeks Later because I thought the only way the plot could get pushed forward was with somebody being so incompetent that nobody in real life would ever do that. Now, I'm not so sure.
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