Originally Posted by Duffman

The way I understand it, zoonotic flu viruses can happen nearly instantly because each species reshuffles the virus, which is what caused the Spanish flu, but the flu is much different from a corona virus, which is much more stable and doesn't appear to be seasonal. I know corona viruses have jumped from animals in the past and as an RNA virus, it's prone to random mutations:

Here's a really thorough paper from the NCBI in 2008:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2546865/

My takeaway is that in 2008 if a pandemic were to happen, it'd most likely be either a zoonotic influenza or coronavirus, and that's exactly what we got. This might've been why they were studying coronaviruses at the Wuhan lab, or it might've been inevitable chance from wet markets, or it might've been someone maliciously covering their tracks with 'the most likely' virus, or it's some other case I'm not even considering.

Useful quotes:

"ABSTRACT

Summary: Host range is a viral property reflecting natural hosts that are infected either as part of a principal transmission cycle or, less commonly, as “spillover” infections into alternative hosts. Rarely, viruses gain the ability to spread efficiently within a new host that was not previously exposed or susceptible. These transfers involve either increased exposure or the acquisition of variations that allow them to overcome barriers to infection of the new hosts. In these cases, devastating outbreaks can result. Steps involved in transfers of viruses to new hosts include contact between the virus and the host, infection of an initial individual leading to amplification and an outbreak, and the generation within the original or new host of viral variants that have the ability to spread efficiently between individuals in populations of the new host. Here we review what is known about host switching leading to viral emergence from known examples, considering the evolutionary mechanisms, virus-host interactions, host range barriers to infection, and processes that allow efficient host-to-host transmission in the new host population.

INTRODUCTION

Newly emerging viral diseases are major threats to public health. In particular, viruses from wildlife hosts have caused such emerging high-impact diseases as severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), Ebola fever, and influenza in humans. The emergence of these and many other human diseases occurred when an established animal virus switched hosts into humans and was subsequently transmitted within human populations, while host transfers between different animal hosts lead to the analogous emergence of epizootic diseases (Table ​(Table1).1)"

" RNA viruses have error-prone replication (23), lack a proofreading mechanism, and have rapid replication, short virus generation times, and large virus populations (22, 82). "

Originally Posted by Mesabah

There is no doubt that is all true, but it doesn't apply to covid-19. The problem with Covid19 is that it mutated a stable part of the bat virus to better infect its next host, prior to jumping. That highly suggests intelligent design, it's also not found in nature.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

... cosmic radiation can knock anything loose, and eventually it will.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

Dude.

Mutation by definition is a natural process, it is in fact the hinge-pin of natural evolution.

There's no such thing as "stable" genetic material... cosmic radiation can knock anything loose, and eventually it will.

Originally Posted by Mesabah

This is not correct, I suggest you hit the books harder.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

I'm not SUGGESTING anything, I'm TELLING you that CCP has no incentive to develop a virus bio weapon.

Terrorists, maybe.

There are so many reasons I can't begin to list them. The big ones are they you cannot control it if you let it loose, and it would be considered a WMD... you would probably get nuked in return.

If you really wanted a bio weapon, it would need to be something like anthrax which can hypothetically be delivered with battlefield weapons.

Originally Posted by Stratosphere

No incentive? How about world domination and knocking us off the #1 spot and ruining the US economy. I find it ironic that this supposed wet market it originated at is in the same city as a level 4 bio lab. No I guess that has no irony there. Also find it ironic that the same country that unleashed this demon around the world is also in the mix for developing a vaccine for it too. I am not really convinced this was intentionally released but nothing would surprise me when it comes to China. But I absolutely believe it came out of that lab. It doesn't have to be man made they study viruses in their super labs just like we do in ours. It is possible a worker became infected in the lab by accident and by shear sloppiness and it got out of that lab. Regardless the Chinese government knew about it and kept it quiet and silenced anyone who tried to warn the outside world about it. That is way more unforgivable that even Trump sitting on his information. The virus was already out of China and around the world by the time our government knew about it. Why the world is not coming down on China is beyond me. I already considered China the biggest threat to the world even before this virus. But too many people in the ruling classes getting rich while the world suffers either thru various viruses that keep coming out of that part of the world or their crappy products.

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

And then they distributed with the chemtrails!

Originally Posted by Stratosphere

No incentive? How about world domination and knocking us off the #1 spot and ruining the US economy. I find it ironic that this supposed wet market it originated at is in the same city as a level 4 bio lab. No I guess that has no irony there. Also find it ironic that the same country that unleashed this demon around the world is also in the mix for developing a vaccine for it too. I am not really convinced this was intentionally released but nothing would surprise me when it comes to China. But I absolutely believe it came out of that lab. It doesn't have to be man made they study viruses in their super labs just like we do in ours. It is possible a worker became infected in the lab by accident and by shear sloppiness and it got out of that lab. Regardless the Chinese government knew about it and kept it quiet and silenced anyone who tried to warn the outside world about it. That is way more unforgivable that even Trump sitting on his information. The virus was already out of China and around the world by the time our government knew about it. Why the world is not coming down on China is beyond me. I already considered China the biggest threat to the world even before this virus. But too many people in the ruling classes getting rich while the world suffers either thru various viruses that keep coming out of that part of the world or their crappy products.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

We'll have to disagree on that then.